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Natalie Adams

Why are most workers W2 employees instead of subcontractors/independent entities?

I'm probably asking something obvious, but I can't wrap my head around this: a household with W2 employment making around $675k yearly ends up handing over about 40% in taxes. It's crazy when you think about what we get back - we still pay separately for healthcare and college tuition isn't covered. The kicker is that Americans with W2 jobs don't even get the benefits Europeans or people in South Korea enjoy - like guaranteed 4 weeks vacation annually, extensive paid parental leave, and other social protections. Meanwhile, if these same folks operated as small business entities or independent contractors, they could write off so many legitimate expenses and significantly reduce their tax burden. So what gives? Why do most people remain W2 employees rather than working as subcontractors or small business entities? Is there something I'm missing about the advantages of W2 employment that outweighs the tax situation? Or is it just what employers prefer for some reason?

The reason most people are W2 employees rather than contractors comes down to several factors - some economic, some legal, and some practical. First, employers generally prefer W2 arrangements because they have more control over employees - they can dictate schedules, workflows, and have exclusive rights to the work. With contractors, they have much less control legally. From the worker perspective, W2 employment offers stability. You get a regular paycheck, often benefits like health insurance (which can be extremely expensive on the individual market), retirement plans, and unemployment insurance if you lose your job. Contractors have to handle all their own benefits and deal with inconsistent income. Yes, contractors can deduct business expenses, but they also pay both the employer and employee portions of Social Security and Medicare taxes (self-employment tax), which is about 15.3%. W2 employees only pay half of this, with employers covering the rest. There's also the IRS factor - they scrutinize independent contractor classifications closely. You can't just decide to be a contractor; the relationship has to meet specific criteria. Many people who think they could be contractors would actually fail the IRS tests for legitimate independent contractor status.

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Amara Torres

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But what about all those expenses contractors can write off? Like home office, travel, equipment, etc? Doesn't that savings make up for the self-employment tax? Also, couldn't you set up an S-Corp and pay yourself a lower salary to avoid some of that self-employment tax? I've heard people talking about this strategy but never fully understood it.

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The expense deductions can be valuable, but they're not as magical as they sometimes appear. You can only deduct legitimate business expenses that are ordinary and necessary for your business. Many people overestimate how much they can actually deduct. Regarding the S-Corp strategy, yes, that's a legitimate approach where you can pay yourself a reasonable salary (which is subject to employment taxes) and take the rest as distributions (which aren't). However, the "reasonable salary" part is key - the IRS watches this closely, and the salary must be justifiable based on your industry and role. Plus, maintaining an S-Corp comes with costs and administrative requirements - annual filings, separate accounting, payroll processing, etc. These expenses and complexities mean it's typically only worthwhile when you're earning well into six figures.

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Mason Kaczka

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That sounds interesting, but does it actually help with the classification issue? Like can it tell me if my current job could legally be done as a contractor? My employer wants to switch some of us from W2 to 1099 and I'm not sure if that's even allowed for what I do.

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Sophia Russo

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How accurate is this though? I've tried other tax calculators before and they never seem to account for the real-world complexity. Does it handle state taxes too? I live in California and the state tax situation here is brutal.

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Hannah Flores

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A major reason many can't just "choose" to be contractors is the employer's preference. Companies often want W2 employees for control reasons, and they hold the power in the relationship. I tried negotiating to work as a contractor for my current employer to get tax advantages, and they flat-out refused. Their HR department said it would create "consistency issues" and possible legal problems if they classified similar positions differently. Unless you have rare skills or are in a high-demand position, most employers won't change their standard employment model just so you can get tax benefits. The employment relationship is ultimately dictated by business needs and legal requirements, not what might be optimal for your personal tax situation.

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Exactly this. My company literally has a policy against converting employees to contractors. They told me it creates too much liability for worker misclassification issues. Plus they mentioned something about the "Microsoft case" from years ago where contractors successfully sued claiming they were really employees entitled to benefits. Now companies are super careful about this stuff.

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You're right about the Microsoft case (Vizcaino v. Microsoft) - it was a huge wake-up call for many large companies. Microsoft had to pay $97 million to settle claims from workers who were classified as contractors but functioned as employees. After that case, corporate legal departments became extremely cautious about worker classification. Many companies now have strict policies about who can be a contractor vs. employee precisely to avoid similar lawsuits. Some even have mandatory "cooling off" periods where a former employee must wait 6-12 months before they can return as a contractor. The tax advantages for individuals are completely outweighed by the legal risk for companies in many cases.

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Grace Lee

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The biggest thing missing from this discussion is the RISK factor. Being a W2 employee is just so much safer for the average person. As a contractor: - Income is often unstable or seasonal - You have to hustle constantly for new work - No unemployment benefits if work dries up - No workers comp if you get injured - Have to buy your own health insurance ($$$$) - No paid time off or sick days - All the legal/accounting complexities fall on you Unless you're charging like 40-50% more per hour as a contractor, the "tax savings" probably don't make up for all these downsides. Plus, you have to be the kind of person who's comfortable with uncertainty and has the discipline to save for taxes, slow periods, retirement, etc. Most people just aren't built for that kind of stress and prefer the predictability of regular paychecks, even if it means paying more in taxes.

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Mia Roberts

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This is SO true. I tried the contractor route for 2 years and went back to W2 employment even though I made more on paper as a contractor. The stress of inconsistent income, constantly chasing new clients, and never being able to truly disconnect was killing me. Plus I underestimated how much it would cost to replace my employer benefits. Health insurance alone for my family was over $1800/month with a terrible deductible! Sometimes the "tax savings" just aren't worth the quality of life sacrifice.

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