Why am I getting hit with underpayment penalty even with 0 exemptions on my W-4?
Last year was a financial rollercoaster for me and my husband, and now the IRS is punishing us with an underpayment penalty which I don't understand. We're married filing jointly and BOTH checked 0 exemptions on our W-4 forms, so how did this happen? I had three different W-4 jobs throughout 2023, but I only worked one at a time (quit one before starting the next). Each employer withheld taxes assuming it was my only job for the year. We also had about $14,000 in capital gains from selling some stocks we'd held for years. And I did some minor freelance work (1099 stuff) that brought in around $970 for the whole year. I thought checking 0 exemptions was the safest way to avoid owing money. What went wrong? Is there something I should do differently for this year's W-4s to avoid this penalty happening again?
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Sean Fitzgerald
The underpayment penalty is happening because your total tax withholding for the year wasn't enough, despite having 0 exemptions. This is a common issue when you have multiple income sources. When you worked those W-4 jobs one after another, each employer calculated withholding as if that job was your only income for the entire year. Since you didn't work them simultaneously, each employer was withholding at a lower tax bracket than your actual combined annual income placed you in. The capital gains and 1099 income added additional tax liability without any automatic withholding. Even though the 1099 income was small, it combined with those capital gains created a significant tax amount that wasn't covered by your withholding. To avoid this in the future, you can use the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator tool to calculate a more accurate W-4. You might need to select "extra withholding" on line 4(c) of your W-4 form. For capital gains, consider making estimated quarterly tax payments using Form 1040-ES, especially if the amount will be significant.
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Zara Khan
•But I thought the whole point of claiming 0 exemptions was to OVER-withhold so you don't end up owing? At least that's what my dad always told me. Also, how much extra should I put on line 4(c)? Is there a formula or do I just guess?
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Sean Fitzgerald
•Claiming 0 exemptions on the old W-4 form did typically result in over-withholding for single-income situations. However, the W-4 was redesigned in 2020, and the concept of "exemptions" was replaced with a more detailed calculation system. Now you need to account for multiple jobs and additional income sources explicitly. For line 4(c), the amount depends on your specific situation. I'd recommend using the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator at irs.gov. Enter all your expected income sources for the year (including estimated capital gains), and it will calculate a recommended additional withholding amount. Generally, for capital gains around $14,000 and a small 1099 income, you might need an extra $30-50 withheld per paycheck, but the estimator will give you a more precise figure.
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Yuki Watanabe
For future reference, when you have multiple jobs in a year (even if only one at a time) plus capital gains, you really need to do a "checkup" on your withholding midyear. The W-4 isn't designed to automatically handle job changes and investment income perfectly. I recommend checking your withholding each time you change jobs or have a significant financial event (like selling stock). The Multiple Jobs Worksheet on the W-4 form is helpful if you and your spouse both work, but it doesn't account for mid-year job changes very well.
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Carmen Sanchez
•Does the Multiple Jobs Worksheet account for capital gains at all? Or is there a different form for that? My situation is similar but I'm also getting rental income now.
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Yuki Watanabe
•The Multiple Jobs Worksheet doesn't account for capital gains or rental income at all. It only helps calculate withholding when you have multiple W-2 jobs simultaneously or when both spouses work. For capital gains and rental income, you should use Step 4(a) of the W-4 to add your estimated "other income" that won't have withholding. Alternatively, you can make quarterly estimated tax payments using Form 1040-ES, which is often better for irregular income like capital gains or rental income. The safest approach is to use the IRS Withholding Estimator online and update your W-4 whenever your income situation changes significantly.
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Andre Dupont
With 0 exemptions, your still getting hit with a penalty because of the captial gains + 1099 income. When i had a similar situation, i checked the box for "multiple jobs" on my W-4 AND put an extra $100 per paycheck in the additional withholding section (line 4c). haven't had a penalty since. Also you might qualify for first-time penalty abatement if this is your first penalty. Call the IRS and ask. they waived mine completetly!
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Zoe Papadakis
•I did something similar but estimated quarterly payments for my freelance income saved me from the penalty. For the OP - If you expect to owe more than $1,000 when you file, quarterly payments are the way to go.
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