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What's the difference between signature authority and financial interest for FBAR filing requirements?

I'm in a bit of a confusing situation with my banking. Last year I ended up as a joint account holder on my aunt's savings account in Canada, and I moved about $215K CAD to my American account when I was helping her manage some investments. Now that I'm working on my taxes, I realize I probably need to file an FBAR, but I'm really confused about whether I had "signature authority" or "financial interest" in this account. The terminology is super unclear and I'm not sure which category applies to my situation as a joint owner. Does being a joint account holder automatically mean I have financial interest? Or is that something different? I have US citizenship and live in California if that makes any difference for the filing requirements.

Great question about FBAR filing! This confuses a lot of people. Let me break it down in simple terms: Financial interest means you're the owner (or joint owner) of the account - meaning you have a legal claim to the funds. Since you mentioned you're a joint owner on the Canadian account, you definitely have a financial interest. Signature authority means you can control the disposition of money or other property in the account by communication with the financial institution. You can sign checks, withdraw funds, etc., but the money isn't legally yours. In your case, as a joint account holder, you have BOTH financial interest AND signature authority. So when filling out the FBAR, you'd indicate financial interest (which is the higher level of the two).

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Thanks for explaining! So if I'm on my elderly parent's account just to help them manage it but the money is entirely theirs, would that be just signature authority then? I help my dad with his Canadian retirement account but I'm not entitled to any of it.

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For your parents' account situation, that would typically be signature authority only. If you're just helping manage the account but have no legal claim to the money (you're not a joint owner and wouldn't inherit the money if your parent passed away), then you only have signature authority. Many people end up in this situation when helping elderly parents with their finances. You'd still need to report the account on the FBAR if it exceeds $10,000, but you'd mark it as signature authority rather than financial interest.

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Don't forget the FBAR has that crazy $10,000 threshold that applies to ALL your foreign accounts COMBINED. So if you have multiple accounts that individually are under $10k but together exceed $10k, you still need to file! Made that mistake and got a nasty penalty.

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Thanks for pointing that out! Do you know if I need to count accounts where I'm just helping someone else (like signature authority only) in that combined total? Or just the ones where I have financial interest?

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You need to count ALL foreign accounts where you have either financial interest OR signature authority when determining if you meet the $10,000 threshold. So yes, accounts where you're just helping someone else (signature authority only) count toward that combined total. Once you determine you need to file the FBAR (by exceeding $10k across all foreign accounts), you must report ALL foreign accounts regardless of their individual balances - even accounts with just a few dollars in them. The IRS is really strict about this!

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Just a heads up, the penalties for not filing FBARs can be INSANE. Non-willful violations can be up to $12,921 per violation (for 2023), and willful violations can be the greater of $129,210 or 50% of the account balance at the time of violation. Don't mess around with this form!

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Those penalties sound terrifying. Is there any way to fix it if you didn't know you were supposed to file in previous years? I just realized I probably should have been filing these for years...

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If you missed filing FBARs in previous years, there are a few options depending on your situation. The IRS has the Delinquent FBAR Submission Procedures for people who missed filings but weren't trying to hide anything. You can file the missing FBARs with a statement explaining the reasonable cause for the late filing. For more complex situations involving unreported income, there's the Streamlined Filing Compliance Procedures. The key is demonstrating that your failure to file was non-willful. Don't ignore it though - the IRS tends to be more lenient with voluntary disclosures than if they discover it during an audit. Consider consulting a tax professional who specializes in international compliance to help navigate your specific situation.

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This is really helpful information! I'm dealing with a similar situation where I have joint ownership of a foreign account with my spouse (we're both US citizens but the account is in the UK from when we lived there). Based on what Dylan explained, since I'm a joint owner, I definitely have financial interest and need to report it on the FBAR. One thing I'm still confused about though - do I need to report the full account balance or just my "share" as a joint owner? The account has about £18,000 but technically half of that is my spouse's money. Should I report the full balance or just £9,000?

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