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What is Form 8862 and when do I need to file it with the IRS?

So I was helping my sister with her taxes through H&R Block software. She usually prefers filing on paper and just got her refund after waiting forever. She claimed her two kids on the return and I made sure to include the EIC (Earned Income Credit) and the Child Tax Credit forms (Form 8812). Her refund finally showed up today, but it wasn't what we expected - it was reduced. When she checked her account on the IRS website, there was a message saying she needs to complete Form 8862 for next year. I've been doing family taxes for years and never ran into this before. Does anyone know what Form 8862 is exactly? Is this something she needs to file now or with next year's return? Any advice on how to tackle this properly?

Form 8862 is the "Information to Claim Certain Credits After Disallowance" form. The IRS requires this when they've previously denied or reduced someone's refundable credits like the Earned Income Credit (EIC) or Additional Child Tax Credit due to an audit or because they determined the credit was claimed in error. Your sister will need to file this form NEXT tax season when she files her 2025 return if she wants to claim those credits again. The IRS is essentially putting her on notice that they need additional verification in the future before allowing these credits again. The reduced refund likely means the IRS disallowed part of the credits she claimed this year. She should check her account transcript or the adjustment letter they'll send to see exactly what they changed and why.

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Oh that makes sense. So this isn't something she needs to do right now, but will need to include with next year's return? Do you know if there's anything specific she should start gathering now to make sure she has everything needed when it's time to file that form?

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You're right, she doesn't need to do anything with Form 8862 right now. It will be filed with next year's tax return if she wants to claim those credits again. As for documentation, she should start gathering evidence that proves she's eligible for these credits. This includes proof that the children are qualifying dependents - birth certificates, school records showing the same address, medical records, custody agreements if applicable. Also, she should keep records showing she provided more than half of their support and that they lived with her for more than half the year.

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Just adding another perspective on Form 8862 - I had to file this last year. The form itself isn't too complicated, but make sure you have ALL your documentation in order. The IRS scrutinizes these returns much more carefully. For qualifying children, I needed to provide: - School records showing same address - Medical records - Birth certificates - Social security cards Keep all this documentation even though you don't submit it with the form. If they audit you later, you'll need it.

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Thanks for the info! Did you use tax software to complete the form or did you have to fill it out separately? My sister usually uses H&R Block but I'm wondering if they handle this situation well.

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I used TurboTax and it handled Form 8862 pretty well. It asked additional questions when I indicated I needed to file that form. H&R Block should work too - most major tax software can handle it. The key is answering all the questions truthfully and having your documentation organized in case of follow-up. The software will walk you through it, but just know that these returns with Form 8862 often take longer to process because they get additional review.

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Has anyone actually had success getting their credits back after filing Form 8862? My credits were denied two years ago, I filed 8862 last year, and still got rejected again with no clear explanation.

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I successfully got my EIC back after filing 8862. The key was having really solid documentation. I included a cover letter explaining my situation clearly and referencing all my supporting documentation (even though you don't actually send the docs with the return). I think the biggest issue people run into is not addressing the specific reason their credits were denied in the first place. Did you ever figure out exactly why they initially denied your credits?

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I went through something similar with my brother's return last year. The IRS reduced his refund and he needed to file Form 8862 the following year. One thing that really helped was getting a copy of his account transcript from the IRS website - it shows much more detail about exactly what they adjusted and why. The transcript has specific transaction codes that explain the adjustments, which is way more informative than the basic notice they send. Also, make sure your sister keeps excellent records going forward. The IRS tends to scrutinize returns more closely once someone has been flagged for these credits. Things like school enrollment records, medical appointments, and utility bills in her name at the same address as the kids can all help establish that the children lived with her for more than half the year. The good news is that filing Form 8862 doesn't prevent you from claiming the credits again - it just requires extra documentation and verification. Just be thorough and honest when completing it.

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This is really helpful advice! I didn't even know you could get account transcripts from the IRS website. Is this something anyone can access, or do you need special access? Also, when you mention transaction codes - are these something a regular person can understand, or do they require some kind of tax knowledge to interpret? My sister is pretty good about keeping records, but I want to make sure we're focusing on the right types of documentation. The utility bills idea is smart - that's something concrete that shows residency that we wouldn't have thought of otherwise.

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