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What actually happens when you file a final S Corp return? Does it automatically revert to a C Corp?

I'm working with a small business that's been operating as an S Corporation for about 5 years, but we're considering shutting it down or potentially changing the business structure. I've been getting conflicting advice about how to handle this. Some of our advisors are saying we should mark the S corp election as terminated and file form 8832, but others are suggesting we just file a final S corp return. I'm confused about what the actual difference is between these approaches. If we just file a final return and check the "final return" box, does the company automatically revert to a C Corporation status? Or does it just dissolve completely? My real concern is avoiding any unexpected tax consequences or having to deal with additional filings if we choose the wrong approach. Has anyone gone through this process who can explain what actually happens in either scenario?

Tax professional here! This is a common source of confusion. When you file a final S corporation return (Form 1120-S) and check the "final return" box, you're indicating the corporation is ceasing to exist - not that it's converting to a C corporation. The final return approach is appropriate when you're actually dissolving the corporation completely. This means the entity no longer exists after filing the final return and completing state dissolution requirements. If you want to keep the corporation alive but terminate S status (reverting to C corp status), that's when you'd file a statement terminating the S election and then file Form 8832 to elect how the entity will be taxed going forward. These are two completely different scenarios with different outcomes. Remember that state-level requirements for dissolution are separate from federal tax filings, so you'd need to handle those separately regardless of which path you choose.

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So if I understand correctly, checking "final return" means the business is completely done. But what if we've already filed a final return but now want to keep the business and just change from S to C corp? Is it too late?

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That's a great question. If you've already filed a final return indicating the business is completely done, but now want to continue operating, you may have a problem. The final return tells the IRS the entity has been dissolved. If you want to continue the same business, you'll likely need to form a new corporation entity since you've effectively told the government the old one no longer exists. This would mean getting a new EIN, filing new formation documents with your state, etc. It's much cleaner to decide whether you want to dissolve or convert before filing that final return.

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For what it's worth, I went through this last year and made the mistake of checking "final return" when what I really wanted was to revoke S election and continue as a C corp. It caused a HUGE mess because the IRS thought my business was dissolved, but I was still operating. Had to file a bunch of explanatory letters and it took months to straighten out. My state also started sending me nastygrams about operating without proper status. The proper way if you want to KEEP the business but END S status is: 1) Submit a statement revoking S election 2) Continue filing as a C corp going forward (1120 instead of 1120-S) 3) Do NOT check "final return" box If you're actually closing down completely, then you check the final return box.

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Did you have to pay any penalties when you fixed the mistake? This is my biggest worry about screwing something up.

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I didn't end up paying penalties after explaining it was an honest misunderstanding, but I did have to pay additional accounting fees to fix everything. My accountant spent about 15 hours resolving all the issues, so that cost me around $3,000 in professional fees. The bigger headache was the uncertainty - for almost 3 months I wasn't sure if the IRS would accept my explanation or hit me with some kind of failure-to-file penalties since they thought the business was dissolved but I was still operating it.

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I'm confused about Form 8832 that people keep mentioning. If I'm terminating S corp status, wouldn't I just file a revocation statement? Why would I need Form 8832 too?

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Great question with a simple explanation. Form 8832 is the "Entity Classification Election" form. You're right that to terminate S status, you only need to file a revocation statement. However, people often recommend filing Form 8832 as well to affirmatively elect C corporation status. This creates a clear record of your intentions. While a revoked S corporation will default to C corporation status, filing Form 8832 removes any ambiguity about how you want the business to be treated going forward. It's not strictly necessary in most cases, but it's an extra step that tax professionals often recommend for clarity and to create a paper trail of your intentions.

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm dealing with a similar situation where we want to shut down our S corp but weren't sure about the process. Based on what everyone has shared, it sounds like the key distinction is: - Final return = business is completely done/dissolved - Revocation statement = keep business alive but end S status One follow-up question though - if we're going the final return route (actually dissolving), do we need to distribute all assets to shareholders first, or can we check the final return box even if there are still some assets in the company? I'm worried about creating additional tax complications if we don't handle the asset distribution correctly before filing that final return. Also, does anyone know if there's a specific timeframe we need to follow between state dissolution and filing the final federal return? Our state requires a 60-day notice period before dissolution is finalized, so I'm not sure if we should wait for that to complete before filing with the IRS.

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Great questions! For asset distribution, you generally need to distribute all assets to shareholders before filing the final return. The final return should reflect zero assets and liabilities - essentially showing the corporation has been completely liquidated. If you still have assets when you file the final return, it creates inconsistencies that could trigger IRS inquiries. Regarding timing with state dissolution, it's typically better to coordinate the federal final return date with your state's dissolution effective date. You want both to happen around the same time so your records are consistent. Many people file the final return with a dissolution date that matches when the state dissolution becomes official, even if that means waiting through the 60-day notice period. The key is making sure your final return accurately reflects the actual dissolution date, not just when you decided to start the process. This helps avoid any gaps where the IRS thinks you're still operating but your state thinks you're dissolved, or vice versa.

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This thread has been a lifesaver! I'm a CPA and see this confusion constantly with my S corp clients. One thing I'd add that hasn't been mentioned yet - there are also timing considerations around the S election termination that can catch people off guard. If you revoke your S election mid-year (rather than filing a final return), the revocation is generally effective the following tax year unless you specify an earlier date and meet certain requirements. This means you might still need to file an S corp return for the current year even after filing the revocation. Also, if you have any built-in gains from when you converted to S status originally, terminating the S election (either through revocation or dissolution) could trigger recognition of those gains. This is especially important for businesses that have appreciated assets or inventory. I always recommend clients get a comprehensive tax projection before making this decision because the tax consequences can vary significantly depending on your specific situation, asset values, and timing. The difference between dissolving vs. converting can literally be tens of thousands of dollars in taxes for some businesses.

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This is exactly the kind of professional insight I was hoping to find! As someone new to dealing with S corp issues, the timing aspect you mentioned is really important. Could you clarify what you mean by "built-in gains from when you converted to S status originally"? My business has been an S corp for about 3 years now, and we do have some equipment and inventory that's probably worth more than when we started. Should I be worried about triggering a big tax bill if we decide to dissolve? And is there a way to estimate what those potential gains might be before making the final decision? I'm realizing this is way more complex than I initially thought, and I definitely don't want to get hit with surprise taxes!

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