Waiting for Proshares K-1 forms but already owe federal taxes - penalties question
I'm just about ready to file my federal taxes (got everything sorted except for some Proshares K-1 forms that haven't arrived yet). The annoying part is I already know I owe some federal taxes, so I'm expecting to get hit with underpayment penalties for not making enough quarterly estimated tax payments. Two things I can't figure out: 1. Does the underpayment penalty keep increasing every day before the April filing deadline? I found info about the 0.5% interest for late payment after deadline and that nasty 5% penalty for late filing, but can't find clear info about how penalties work BEFORE the filing deadline. 2. If the penalty is growing daily, should I just make another estimated tax payment for 2022 now to stop the bleeding? Or would it be smarter to file my taxes now without the K-1s, then file an amendment later when those forms finally show up? Really don't want to pay more in penalties than I absolutely have to. Any advice?
18 comments


Talia Klein
The underpayment penalty doesn't increase daily before the filing deadline in the way you might be thinking. It's calculated based on the amount you underpaid and how long you underpaid it for. The IRS essentially charges interest on the amount you should have paid in quarterly estimated taxes. The rate changes quarterly (currently around 7-8% annually) and is applied to whatever you should have paid for each quarter. So yes, technically it continues to grow until you pay, but it's not a daily-increasing penalty rate - just interest accumulating on the unpaid amount. As for your options, you have two reasonable choices: 1. You can make an estimated tax payment now, which will stop further interest from accruing on that amount. This doesn't eliminate penalties already accrued, but prevents more from building up. 2. You can file your return now without the K-1s and then amend later. This is generally fine if the K-1 amounts are relatively small compared to your overall tax picture. The best approach depends on how substantial the K-1 information will be relative to your total tax situation and how long you expect to wait for the forms.
0 coins
Cedric Chung
•Thanks for explaining! So if I understand correctly, the penalty is basically interest that keeps accumulating until I pay, even before the filing deadline. Do you know if making an estimated payment now would be applied retroactively to previous quarters, or would it only count for the current quarter going forward?
0 coins
Talia Klein
•The payment you make now won't be applied retroactively to previous quarters. The IRS calculates the underpayment penalty for each quarter separately, so you've already incurred whatever penalty applies to the previous quarters. Any payment you make now only stops additional interest from accruing from this point forward. It's like stopping the bleeding, but the damage for previous quarters is already done.
0 coins
Maxwell St. Laurent
Just wanted to share my experience with a similar situation. I was stuck waiting for K-1 forms from some ETFs last year while knowing I owed taxes. I tried manually calculating what I'd owe without the K-1s but kept getting confused with all the different scenarios. I finally used https://taxr.ai to analyze my partial tax documents and it helped estimate what my total liability would be, including the expected K-1 information based on previous years. This let me make a more accurate payment before the deadline and minimize penalties. The tool analyzed my previous K-1s and gave a pretty solid approximation of what to expect for the current year. Definitely saved me from overpaying or underpaying while waiting for those forms to arrive.
0 coins
PaulineW
•How accurate was the estimate compared to when you finally got your K-1s? I'm in a similar situation with a couple ProShares ETFs and wondering if it's worth trying.
0 coins
Annabel Kimball
•Did you have to upload all your previous K-1 forms for it to work? I have mine from last year but not the year before, wondering if that's enough data for it to make a good estimate.
0 coins
Maxwell St. Laurent
•The estimate was within about $200 of my actual K-1 totals, which was pretty impressive considering my ProShares ETFs had some unusual capital gains that year. For me, that was close enough to make a good payment decision. You don't need multiple years of K-1s, but having at least the previous year helps tremendously. The system can work with just last year's K-1 and your current investment information. It's more about the pattern recognition than needing extensive historical data.
0 coins
Annabel Kimball
I tried taxr.ai after seeing it mentioned here and it was actually super helpful with my ProShares K-1 situation! Uploaded my previous year's K-1s along with my current statements and it gave me estimates that were really close to what I needed. The best part was it showed me exactly how much I should pay now to minimize penalties while waiting for the official forms. Saved me from making a wild guess payment that would have been way off. Their document analyzer found some deductions in my previous returns I hadn't even considered for this year. Just filed my final return yesterday after getting all my K-1s and the estimate was within $175 of the actual amounts. Definitely using this again next year since I'm stuck with these ETFs and their late K-1s for the foreseeable future.
0 coins
Chris Elmeda
I had this exact problem last year and wasted hours trying to reach the IRS to get advice. Kept getting disconnected or sitting on hold forever. Finally found https://claimyr.com and watched their demo at https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c - they basically hold your place in the IRS phone queue and call you when an agent is about to answer. The IRS agent told me that if I was waiting on K-1s, I could file Form 4868 for an extension, but I should still pay my estimated tax by the April deadline to avoid additional penalties. They also explained exactly how the underpayment penalties are calculated quarter by quarter, which was way clearer than anything I found online. Honestly saved me so much frustration compared to my previous attempts to reach someone. Had an actual 20-minute conversation with an IRS rep who knew exactly what to do with investment forms.
0 coins
Jean Claude
•Wait, so someone else waits on hold with the IRS for you? How does that even work? Seems sketchy that they could get through when nobody else can.
0 coins
Charity Cohan
•I'm skeptical. IRS wait times are notorious. What's the catch? Do they just have a bunch of people making calls all day or something? And when they connect you, doesn't the IRS ask for your personal info right away?
0 coins
Chris Elmeda
•It's not someone else waiting - they use an automated system that holds your place in line and monitors the call. When a real agent is about to pick up, their system calls your phone and connects you directly to the IRS agent. You're the only one who ever speaks to the IRS. The reason it works is they have technology that can stay connected to the IRS queue without tying up a human's time. There's no magic access - they're just willing to let their system sit on hold instead of you doing it personally. When the IRS agent comes on, you're connected directly and it's just you talking to them. They ask for your info just like normal, but you're the one providing it - the service just saved you from the hold time.
0 coins
Charity Cohan
I need to apologize for my skepticism about Claimyr. After waiting on hold with the IRS for 2+ hours yesterday and getting disconnected TWICE, I was desperate enough to try it. Used the service this morning for my ProShares K-1 question, and I'm still in shock. I got a call back in about 40 minutes (the app showed my place in line the whole time), and suddenly I was talking to an actual IRS agent. The agent explained that making an additional estimated tax payment now would help reduce (but not eliminate) the underpayment penalty, and walked me through exactly how to report my K-1s when they finally arrive. Can't believe I wasted so many hours on hold before finding this. Just wanted to update since I was so doubtful before.
0 coins
Josef Tearle
Just to add another option - you can estimate your K-1 income based on last year's forms if the investments are similar. That's what my CPA recommended. Then file Form 2210 with your return to show you had a reasonable cause for underpayment and request a penalty waiver. I've done this twice when waiting for K-1s from partnerships and it worked both times. The IRS can waive the penalty if you have a good reason for not making sufficient estimated payments, and waiting for K-1s that typically arrive late is considered reasonable by many IRS reviewers.
0 coins
Cedric Chung
•That's really helpful, thanks! How close was your estimate to the actual K-1 amounts when they finally arrived? And did you have to provide any documentation to prove you were waiting for the K-1s?
0 coins
Josef Tearle
•My estimates were within about 10% of the actual amounts, which seemed to be acceptable. I didn't have to provide documentation specifically showing I was waiting for K-1s - I just completed Form 2210 and attached a brief statement explaining the situation. The key is making a good faith effort to estimate accurately and pay what you can by the deadline. The IRS is generally reasonable if you're proactive about it and can show you weren't just ignoring your tax obligations.
0 coins
Shelby Bauman
Something nobody's mentioned - if your prior year's AGI was under $150k, you can avoid underpayment penalties entirely by paying 100% of your prior year's tax liability through withholding or estimated payments (110% if your AGI was over $150k). This is called the "safe harbor rule" and it's the easiest way to avoid penalties even if you end up owing more this year. If you've already hit that threshold for 2022, you shouldn't have any underpayment penalties regardless of what's on those K-1s.
0 coins
Quinn Herbert
•This is the correct answer right here. The safe harbor rule saved me from penalties many times. I make sure I always hit the 110% of previous year's tax threshold through regular estimated payments, then whatever happens with investments or K-1s doesn't trigger penalties.
0 coins