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Amina Toure

If you owe taxes, does it matter when you pay between Jan 1 and April 15? Impact on penalties?

So I just finished my rough calculations for my 2024 taxes and I'm looking at a pretty hefty bill I wasn't expecting. Made some stupid mistakes with my withholdings and now I'm staring at owing a significant amount plus penalties (and probably interest too from what I've been reading online). I'm trying to figure out if there's any benefit to filing and paying earlier rather than waiting till the April 15th deadline. Like, if I bite the bullet and file in February, would I save on interest or penalties compared to if I wait until mid-April? Or does the IRS just calculate everything based on the April 15th date regardless of when I actually submit payment? I'm trying to minimize the damage here and figure out if there's any strategic advantage to filing sooner rather than later. Any insights would be super helpful since I'm kinda freaking out about this unexpected tax hit.

Oliver Weber

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The timing can definitely matter when you owe taxes. Here's what you should know: For penalties, there are two main types you might face. The failure-to-pay penalty accrues at 0.5% of the unpaid taxes per month (or partial month) until you pay, up to 25% of your unpaid taxes. This starts accruing after April 15th, so paying before the deadline means no failure-to-pay penalty regardless of whether you pay February 1st or April 15th. For interest, however, it's different. The IRS charges interest on any unpaid tax from the due date (April 15th) until the date of payment. The interest rate is the federal short-term rate plus 3%, and it compounds daily. So technically, there's no interest advantage to paying in February versus April 15th since interest doesn't start until after the deadline. That said, filing early even if you can't pay the full amount is always recommended. You can set up a payment plan if needed.

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FireflyDreams

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Wait so if I can't pay until after April 15th, should I still file before the deadline? And what's the difference between filing and paying? Sorry if this is a dumb question but I'm confused.

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Oliver Weber

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Yes, you should absolutely still file by the deadline even if you can't pay in full. Filing and paying are two separate actions with different penalties. When you file, you're submitting your tax return forms to report your income and tax situation. When you pay, you're sending the money you owe. If you don't file on time, you'll face a failure-to-file penalty which is much steeper at 5% per month (compared to the 0.5% for failure-to-pay). By filing on time but paying late, you'll only face the smaller penalty plus interest.

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Emma Anderson

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Emma Anderson

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CosmicVoyager

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One thing nobody mentioned yet - if you're going to owe a significant amount for 2024, you should also look at your withholding or estimated tax payments for 2025! The penalties for underpayment can be avoided if you: 1. Owe less than $1,000 after withholding and credits 2. Paid at least 90% of the tax for the current year 3. Paid at least 100% of the tax shown on your return for the prior year (110% if your AGI was over $150,000) Worth adjusting your W-4 or quarterly payments now to avoid being in the same situation next year.

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Amina Toure

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This is super helpful, thank you! Should I be making estimated payments for 2025 now even though I still owe for 2024? And do you know if there's a specific form I need to fill out to adjust my withholding?

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CosmicVoyager

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Yes, you should start making proper estimated payments for 2025 now even while dealing with your 2024 tax debt. The IRS treats each tax year separately, so staying current with 2025 prevents digging a deeper hole. For adjusting withholding, you'll need to submit a new Form W-4 to your employer. The redesigned W-4 no longer uses allowances - instead, you can specify additional withholding amounts on line 4(c). You might also want to check out the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator online to help calculate exactly how much extra you should withhold each pay period.

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Ravi Kapoor

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Don't forget that if you owe more than $1,000 and didn't have proper withholding or make estimated payments throughout the year, you might face an "underpayment of estimated tax" penalty (Form 2210) regardless of when you file or pay the balance due.

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Freya Nielsen

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Is there any way to get that underpayment penalty waived? I had a big unexpected income bump in December that threw off all my tax planning.

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There are a few situations where the underpayment penalty can be waived. The most common exceptions are: 1) If you had no tax liability in the prior year, 2) If you're a qualifying farmer or fisherman, 3) If the underpayment was due to casualty, disaster, or unusual circumstances, or 4) If you meet the "annualized income installment method" which can help if your income was uneven throughout the year. For your situation with the December income bump, you might want to look into the annualized income method on Form 2210. This lets you calculate penalties based on when you actually earned the income rather than assuming equal quarterly payments. If most of your income came late in the year, this method could potentially reduce or eliminate the penalty since you wouldn't have been expected to make estimated payments on income you hadn't earned yet.

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Yara Nassar

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This is exactly the situation I was in last year! Here's what I learned the hard way: while there's no interest benefit to paying early (since interest starts accruing after April 15th regardless), filing early gives you peace of mind and more options. What really helped me was getting on a payment plan as soon as possible. Even if you can't pay the full amount by April 15th, paying SOMETHING reduces the balance that penalties and interest accrue on. For example, if you owe $5,000 but can scrape together $2,000 by the deadline, you'll only pay penalties and interest on the remaining $3,000. Also, don't beat yourself up too much about the withholding mistakes - it happens to more people than you'd think, especially when income changes or life circumstances shift. The key is learning from it and adjusting for next year. I immediately updated my W-4 after dealing with my tax debt and started making quarterly estimated payments to avoid the same mess this year. One last tip: if you're really stressed about the numbers, consider using the IRS Online Payment Agreement tool. It shows you exactly what your monthly payments would be and the total interest/penalties you'd pay under different scenarios. Having that concrete information really helped calm my nerves.

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Joshua Wood

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This is really reassuring to hear from someone who's been through it! I'm definitely feeling overwhelmed by all the numbers and potential penalties. The idea of paying something by the deadline to reduce the balance that penalties accrue on is smart - I hadn't thought about that approach. Quick question: when you set up your payment plan, did you have to pay any setup fees? And did having a payment plan affect your credit score at all? I'm trying to weigh all the options and understand the full picture before making decisions. Also really appreciate the reminder about updating withholdings for next year - that's definitely going to be priority #1 once I get this mess sorted out!

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