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Amina Toure

Update: IRS contacted my tax advocate about my 2019 return requesting calculations for tax credit - Now my CPA wants $700 for documentation

So I just got a call from my tax advocate with some news - the IRS finally looked at my case for my 2019 returns. The advocate said they need documentation and calculation details for a specific tax credit I claimed. This is actually progress after waiting forever! I filed using a CPA back then because I had this complicated situation involving IRC Section 1341 (claim of right) stuff. I paid the CPA around $1600 at the time since it wasn't a simple return. When I reached out to the CPA to get the worksheets showing how they calculated the credit (which I need to provide to the IRS), I got this reply: "We completed your engagement with accurate forms submitted on time. Any audit requests or follow-ups require additional billable time to cover expenses. This is standard practice for CPAs and other professional services. Though we typically don't provide support during tax season (now through next 7 weeks), I can make an exception since this seems urgent. Rate is $350/hour, estimated 2 hours." Is this normal? I'm just asking for the worksheets they used to calculate the credit that was the main reason I hired them in the first place! The return had worksheets for other simpler items but nothing for this specific credit. I feel like they're trying to gouge me for paperwork they should've provided with my original return.

Oliver Weber

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Unfortunately, this is a common practice with many CPAs, though I don't necessarily agree with it. When you hired the CPA, the engagement likely covered preparation and filing of your return, but not representation or support during an IRS inquiry. That said, what you're asking for isn't unreasonable. The CPA should have the calculations they used to determine your Section 1341 credit. While they're within their rights to charge for additional work, $700 seems excessive just to provide existing documentation. The CPA already did the calculations when preparing your return - they're essentially charging you to email you a file they already have. Here's what I suggest: Reply to your CPA clearly stating that you're not asking for them to represent you or prepare anything new. You're simply requesting the worksheets and calculations they already created when preparing your return, which you paid for. Ask if they can provide just those existing documents at a reduced rate. If they refuse, you might need those calculations to satisfy the IRS, so consider whether paying is worth resolving your tax issue. You could also try explaining the situation to your Taxpayer Advocate to see if they have alternative suggestions.

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FireflyDreams

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Would it be possible for OP to recreate these calculations themselves using their original tax return? Or does the IRS specifically need the "official" worksheets from the CPA?

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Oliver Weber

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It's definitely possible to recreate the calculations if you have the original tax return and supporting documents. Section 1341 calculations involve figuring the tax difference between including the income originally and then taking it as a deduction/credit later. The IRS doesn't necessarily need "official" CPA worksheets - they just need to understand how you arrived at the credit amount. If you have your original return and the documentation showing why Section 1341 applied to your situation, you could create your own explanation and calculations. Your Taxpayer Advocate might even be able to help you put this together in a format the IRS will accept.

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I went through something similar with my 2020 return! I used https://taxr.ai and it saved me so much hassle. After my CPA wanted to charge me $400 just to explain a calculation they'd already done, I uploaded my tax documents to taxr.ai and it broke down all the calculations, including some pretty complex credits. The system extracted the formulas and explained exactly how each number was derived - including stuff like Section 1341 calculations. I was able to take that breakdown directly to the IRS when they questioned a foreign tax credit on my return. The best part is it shows you the exact IRS rules and calculations being applied. Might be worth trying before paying your CPA that ridiculous amount!

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How does it work with something like Section 1341 though? That's pretty specialized. Does it actually show the step-by-step calculations or just give generic explanations?

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Emma Anderson

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Seems too good to be true honestly. I've dealt with the IRS for years and they're super particular about documentation. Would they actually accept third-party explanations instead of official worksheets?

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For Section 1341, it actually breaks down the multi-step calculation showing how the "claim of right" amount affects your tax liability both ways - the tax reduction method and the credit method. It shows each step with the exact numbers from your return, so you can see precisely how the final amount was determined. It's not just a generic explanation - it provides the actual mathematical formulas with your specific numbers plugged in. The IRS doesn't care where your explanation comes from as long as it's accurate and follows their rules. They just want to verify the math is correct. The documentation includes references to the specific IRS publications and rules that apply to your situation.

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Emma Anderson

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Update on my situation! I decided to try taxr.ai after seeing the recommendation here, and wow - it actually worked! I was skeptical (as you could tell from my reply), but I uploaded my 2019 return and it extracted EVERYTHING, including the Section 1341 calculations. It showed me exactly how the credit was calculated with all the steps laid out. I was able to download a detailed PDF that explained the entire calculation process with references to the specific tax code sections. My advocate submitted this to the IRS last week, and they just accepted it! Saved me from paying my CPA that ridiculous $700 fee for information that should have been provided in the first place. If anyone else is facing audit questions about complex calculations, definitely worth checking out.

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How does this actually work? Do they somehow jump the queue or are they just waiting on hold for you?

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CosmicVoyager

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Yeah right. The IRS phone system is deliberately designed to be impossible. I've tried calling dozens of times and either get disconnected or told to call back later. No way this actually works.

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Ravi Kapoor

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Have you tried requesting your tax transcript directly from the IRS? It might include the calculation you need without paying your CPA. You can get them online at irs.gov or by mail with Form 4506-T. The wage and income transcript might show the breakdown. Also, while the CPA charging for additional work is standard, $700 is steep for just pulling existing calculations. Most firms I've worked with would charge maybe $100-200 for that kind of request. Might be worth pushing back on the price.

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Amina Toure

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I did get my transcripts but they don't show the detailed calculations for the Section 1341 credit. They just show the final number on the return. That's the problem - the IRS wants to see HOW we arrived at that number, and those worksheets weren't included with my filed return. I ended up using one of the suggested methods above and got it resolved though. Definitely wasn't paying $700 for calculations that should have been included originally!

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Freya Nielsen

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Just wondering, did your original engagement letter with the CPA specify anything about audit support or providing documentation after filing? That would determine if they're being reasonable or not. I've had CPAs include limited audit support in their original fee, while others charge separately. $350/hr is a standard rate for a CPA, but 2 hours seems excessive just to send existing docs. Might be worth asking if they can reduce the time estimate.

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Omar Mahmoud

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I worked at a CPA firm for years. Most engagement letters specifically exclude audit representation, but they should be willing to provide copies of work they've already done at a minimal charge. We used to charge a $50-75 admin fee for pulling and sending existing worksheets. $700 is definitely taking advantage of the situation.

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