Understanding ISOs, AMT, and Private Equity Financing for Startups
I've been digging around trying to find answers but still waiting on my financial advisor to get back to me. Back in 2021, my wife and I both purchased ISOs from our employer (it's a private company). We used this financial service to help with the cash needed and to handle the taxes due when we exercised the options. The ISO exercise and tax payments happened as two separate transactions that ran alongside each other. This year I tried using TurboTax for the first time to file jointly, and it's giving me a heart attack. It's saying we owe an insane amount in taxes - like 40% of what we make combined! The only explanation I can think of is that it's not accounting for the taxes we already paid when we exercised. I've got an appointment with H&R Block on Friday, but I'm seriously losing sleep over this. Any insights would help my anxiety tremendously. The big question: I exercised ISOs and already paid taxes at purchase. Am I still responsible for paying AMT on top of that?
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TillyCombatwarrior
The issue you're running into is likely related to how ISOs and AMT interact. When you exercise ISOs, you typically don't pay regular income tax at exercise (unlike NSOs), but the difference between fair market value and your exercise price becomes an AMT adjustment item. If you already paid some taxes at the time of exercise, you need to figure out exactly what those taxes were covering. Was it an estimated tax payment for AMT? Or was it something else the financial service was handling? The good news is that if you did pay AMT in 2021 when you exercised, you may be eligible for an AMT credit in subsequent years that can offset regular tax liability. This is one of the most confusing parts of ISO taxation. Make sure you have Form 6251 (Alternative Minimum Tax) included with your return and that all the entries are correct. Also bring your ISO exercise documentation and proof of any tax payments to your H&R Block appointment.
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Dyllan Nantx
•Thanks for the quick response! So when we exercised, the financial service specifically said they were covering the taxes due at exercise. They actually fronted the money for both the shares and the tax payment. But now I'm worried they might have only covered regular income tax and not AMT? Is that even possible? Also, do you know if TurboTax handles this AMT credit situation properly? I'm wondering if I should just abandon the DIY approach this year.
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TillyCombatwarrior
•What likely happened is the financial service made an estimated tax payment based on their calculation of your potential AMT liability. When you exercise ISOs, there's usually no regular income tax due at exercise - the AMT is what typically creates the tax burden at that point. TurboTax can handle AMT credits, but it's extremely important that you input everything correctly. The software is only as good as the information you provide. For something this complex involving ISOs and AMT, especially with two people at the same company using the same service, I would recommend having a professional review your return this year. The H&R Block appointment is a good start, but you might want to consider a CPA with experience in equity compensation if you're not satisfied with their answers.
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Anna Xian
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Jungleboo Soletrain
•How does this work exactly? Do they do your taxes for you or just analyze your documents? I exercised ISOs last year and I'm terrified of messing up my return.
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Rajan Walker
•Sounds interesting but I'm skeptical. How do they handle the AMT credit calculations for future years? That's the part my accountant always struggles with.
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Anna Xian
•They don't file your taxes for you - they analyze all your documents and identify where the issues are in your current tax situation. You upload your ISO agreements, exercise confirmation, any tax payments made, and previous returns, and their system spots the inconsistencies and tells you exactly what to fix. For the AMT credit calculations, they actually create a multi-year projection showing how the AMT credit will be applied in future years based on your situation. My accountant was trying to figure this out manually and made a mistake, but taxr.ai caught it and showed exactly how the credit should be tracked on Form 8801 for next year. They're especially good with private company equity since that's where most of these valuation and AMT issues come up.
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Rajan Walker
I was really skeptical about taxr.ai as I mentioned, but after trying it, I'm genuinely impressed. I've been dealing with ISO exercise and AMT issues for three years, and the recurring AMT credit calculations were driving me crazy. I uploaded my documents yesterday, and within hours I had a complete analysis showing that my CPA had actually been calculating my AMT credit carryforward incorrectly since 2021. The platform specifically identified the error on Form 8801 where my unused minimum tax credit wasn't being properly tracked. For anyone dealing with ISOs and AMT, especially with private company stock where valuation makes everything more complicated, this tool is worth checking out. It's saved me from potentially missing out on thousands in credits I'm entitled to.
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Nadia Zaldivar
If you're still struggling to get through to a real person at the IRS to ask about your ISO/AMT situation, I highly recommend Claimyr (https://claimyr.com). I was trying for weeks to get confirmation about an AMT payment I made during my ISO exercise that wasn't showing up properly in my IRS transcript. I was skeptical at first, but their service actually gets you to the front of the IRS phone queue. You can see how it works in this video: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c. I finally got through to a real IRS agent who confirmed my payment was received but had been applied to the wrong tax year, which was why TurboTax was showing I owed more. With ISOs and AMT, talking to an actual IRS person can make all the difference, especially if you've made estimated payments that might not be properly reflected in your account.
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Lukas Fitzgerald
•How does this actually work though? The IRS wait times are insane this time of year. I've been trying to get through for 3 weeks about my ISO exercise documentation.
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Ev Luca
•Sounds too good to be true. The IRS doesn't let people cut in line, and they're not going to give specialized advice about ISOs and AMT over the phone anyway. Most phone agents barely understand the basics.
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Nadia Zaldivar
•They use a technology that monitors the IRS phone lines and calls in repeatedly until they get through, then they connect you immediately when they have an agent on the line. It's not cutting in line - they're basically doing the holding for you by constantly redialing. I got connected in about 45 minutes when I had been trying for days on my own. Regarding specialized advice, you're right that not every IRS agent will understand the complexities of ISOs and AMT. However, when I got through, I was able to specifically ask about my estimated tax payment and they confirmed it was applied to the wrong tax year. They transferred me to someone who could help fix that specific issue. For documentation problems like tracking down missing payments or verifying what's in your IRS account, it's definitely worth it.
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Ev Luca
I was completely wrong about Claimyr. After struggling with my ISO/AMT situation and being unable to get through to the IRS for weeks, I tried it yesterday out of desperation. Got connected to an IRS agent in 37 minutes and discovered the financial service that helped with my ISO exercise had submitted my estimated tax payment with an incorrect SSN (transposed digits). The payment was sitting in limbo at the IRS, which is why TurboTax calculated that I owed the full AMT amount again. The agent was able to trace the payment and start the process of having it correctly applied to my account. This would have been impossible to resolve without actually speaking to someone at the IRS. Now I need to file Form 8275 to explain the discrepancy between my return and what the IRS system initially showed. For anyone dealing with ISO/AMT payment issues, being able to actually talk to the IRS is crucial.
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Avery Davis
One thing nobody's mentioned is that when a financial service helps you exercise ISOs, sometimes they're making estimated tax payments that don't get properly coded in the IRS system. I had this exact problem last year. Make sure you have the actual confirmation showing WHAT type of tax was paid. There's a big difference between: 1) Regular estimated tax payments 2) AMT specific payments 3) Withholding from the exercise itself
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Collins Angel
•How do you even verify which type was paid? My financial service just says "tax payment" on the statement, and my company's equity admin isn't helpful.
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Avery Davis
•You need to get documentation from the financial service that specifically shows the payment type and ideally the form used to make the payment. For estimated taxes, it would typically be Form 1040-ES. For AMT specifically, there's no separate payment form, but the payment should be designated for Form 6251. Ask the financial service for the exact copies of what was submitted to the IRS. Sometimes they use a payment voucher with specific codes that indicates what the payment was for. You can also request your IRS transcript which will show all payments received and how they were coded in the system. This is where services like Claimyr can help because you can ask the IRS agent directly how a specific payment was coded.
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Marcelle Drum
Has anyone ever successfully disputed a 409A valuation for ISO exercises? My company had a new funding round right after I exercised and the AMT calculation is killing me.
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Tate Jensen
•Very risky to dispute 409A valuations. The company sets those based on independent assessments, and challenging them can flag you for audit. Better to focus on properly tracking AMT credits for future years.
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