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Transferring Stocks from Trust to Individual Accounts - Capital Gains & Basis Question

Hi everyone, our family is looking into moving some stocks from a trust to individual accounts to avoid the higher capital gains rates that trusts get hit with. I'm trying to understand what happens with the cost basis when we do this transfer. Based on what I've researched, it seems like the basis of the transferred stock to the beneficiaries would be the trust's original purchase price/basis of the stock? But I'm confused because I found something in the tax code that mentions gain/loss might apply in certain situations. From what I can tell, these transfers would show up as distributions on the K-1, and would be taxable to the extent of DNI (Distributable Net Income)... but I'm not 100% sure if I'm understanding this correctly. Here's the actual tax code I found (26 Code 643) that's making me wonder: (e) Treatment of property distributed in kind (1) Basis of beneficiary The basis of any property received by a beneficiary in a distribution from an estate or trust shall be— (A) the adjusted basis of such property in the hands of the estate or trust immediately before the distribution, adjusted for (B) any gain or loss recognized to the estate or trust on the distribution. Any help understanding this would be super appreciated! Thanks!

You've got the basics right! When stocks are transferred from a trust to beneficiaries, generally the beneficiary receives the same cost basis the trust had (carryover basis). This is what the tax code you quoted is referring to in part (A). The part about "gain or loss recognized to the trust on distribution" (part B) comes into play in special situations. Typically when a trust distributes appreciated property, the trust itself doesn't recognize gain. However, if the trust's governing document or applicable state law requires the trustee to satisfy a distribution of a specific dollar amount with appreciated property, the trust may have to recognize gain. Regarding DNI (Distributable Net Income), yes, the distribution would be reported on the beneficiary's K-1 and would generally be taxable to the extent of the trust's DNI for the year. If the fair market value of the distributed property exceeds the trust's DNI, the excess typically isn't taxable to the beneficiary. One thing to consider: make sure the trust instrument actually allows for these distributions to the beneficiaries. Some trusts have specific distribution requirements or limitations.

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This is really helpful, thank you! So just to make sure I understand - if the stocks have appreciated since the trust purchased them, we (the beneficiaries) would get the trust's original purchase price as our basis, not the current market value? And we wouldn't owe taxes on the difference right now unless it exceeds the DNI? Also, do you know if there are any special forms or documentation we need when the trustee makes this kind of in-kind distribution?

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That's correct. As beneficiaries, you'd receive the trust's original cost basis (plus any adjustments), not the current market value. This means when you eventually sell the stocks, you'd pay capital gains tax on the difference between your sale price and that original basis. For documentation, the trustee should provide detailed records of the distribution including the description of securities, original purchase dates, cost basis information, and current fair market values. The trust will report this on Schedule K-1 (Form 1041). I'd recommend keeping very thorough records of these transfers for your own tax filing purposes, especially documentation showing the original basis of each security.

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How does this service actually work? Does it just explain tax concepts or does it actually calculate the basis for you? Our trust has stocks purchased over like 15 years with all different purchase dates and I'm dreading trying to track all that.

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I'm skeptical about these kinds of services. Did it actually tell you anything you couldn't find by just googling or asking an accountant? Our trust has some complicated oil & gas interests and I'm not convinced an AI tool would understand all the nuances.

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Something to consider that hasn't been mentioned: if your trust is a simple trust (required to distribute all income) vs. a complex trust (has discretion over distributions), the tax treatment might differ slightly. In a simple trust, distributions of principal (like your stock) typically won't carry out DNI unless all the income has already been distributed and the principal distribution is deductible by the trust. For complex trusts, the trustee has more flexibility, but the 65-day rule might apply where distributions made within the first 65 days of the year can be treated as made in the previous tax year.

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Our trust is definitely a complex trust with discretionary distributions. I hadn't heard about the 65-day rule though - does that mean we could potentially time the distribution to optimize the tax situation between tax years?

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Yes, exactly. With a complex trust, if you make distributions within the first 65 days of 2025, you can elect to treat them as if they were made in 2024. This can be extremely useful for tax planning. This election is made on the trust's tax return and can help "smooth out" DNI between years. For example, if the trust had unusually high income in 2024, making distributions in early 2025 but electing to treat them as 2024 distributions could help reduce the trust's tax liability by pushing more income to the beneficiaries (who likely have lower tax rates).

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Don't forget to consider state tax implications too! I went through something similar last year and discovered that while federal treatment was straightforward, our state had different rules for trust distributions. In our case, California treated the distribution differently than the feds did, and we ended up with an unexpected state tax bill because the trustee didn't withhold for state taxes. Make sure to check your state's treatment of trust distributions, especially if the trust and beneficiaries are in different states.

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This is such an important point. We ran into issues with NY state taxes when our family trust in Florida distributed stocks to beneficiaries living in New York. The basis calculation was the same, but NY wanted to tax the accumulated gains in the trust differently than the feds did.

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Thanks for bringing this up! Our trust is actually in Illinois but most beneficiaries are in Wisconsin. I'll definitely need to look into how both states handle this type of distribution. Any suggestions on where to look for state-specific rules?

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For Illinois to Wisconsin situations, you'll want to check both states' tax codes on trust distributions. Illinois generally follows federal treatment for basis calculations, but Wisconsin has some quirks around accumulated trust income. I'd recommend starting with Illinois Department of Revenue Publication 101 (Income Tax) and Wisconsin's Publication 102 for trust and estate taxation. Both states have specific sections on distributions to non-resident beneficiaries. The key thing to watch for is whether either state treats the distribution as carrying out accumulated income differently than the federal rules. Wisconsin in particular sometimes requires beneficiaries to pay state tax on trust distributions even when the trust paid Illinois tax on the same income. Your trustee should be able to help coordinate the state filings, but definitely get clarity on this before making the distributions. State tax surprises on large stock distributions can be really expensive!

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This is really valuable information! I'm new to dealing with trust distributions and had no idea that state rules could be so different from federal treatment. The Wisconsin quirk about accumulated income sounds particularly tricky - do you know if there's a way to estimate what the additional Wisconsin tax might be before we make the distribution? I'd hate to surprise the beneficiaries with unexpected state tax bills after the fact.

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