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Third party designee shown as sole mbr on official EIN letter - possible liability issue?

Hey tax folks, I'm in a bit of a confusing situation that I need some guidance on. A few weeks back, I helped my business partner apply for an EIN for his single-member LLC. Since he's not a US citizen and doesn't have an SSN, I used my SSN as the third-party designee when completing the online application. The official EIN letter arrived yesterday, and I noticed something concerning - my name appears right under the company name followed by "sole mbr". This has me worried that I might somehow be listed as the responsible party rather than my partner who actually owns the LLC. When I was filling out the application online, it was clearly indicated that I was applying "on behalf of" the actual business owner. I'm just trying to make sure that I haven't accidentally put myself on the hook for any tax liabilities or other responsibilities that should belong to the actual business owner. Has anyone dealt with this situation before or know what this means exactly? Is this just how the IRS formats these letters or should I be concerned?

Ava Johnson

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This is actually a common point of confusion with EIN letters. When you apply as a third-party designee, you're essentially just the person completing the paperwork, not the responsible party for tax purposes. The "sole mbr" designation is referring to the LLC's structure (single-member LLC), not to you personally. However, the fact that your name appears where it does is something to address. What likely happened is that during the application process, your information as the third-party designee may have been entered in a field intended for the responsible party. The IRS Form SS-4 (or the online equivalent) has separate sections for the responsible party and the third-party designee. I would recommend calling the IRS Business & Specialty Tax Line at 800-829-4933 to clarify and potentially correct the responsible party information. They can verify who is actually listed as the responsible party in their system, which might be different from how the letter is formatted.

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Miguel Diaz

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Thanks for this explanation! Quick question - if OP's friend is a foreign national without an SSN, what should they have used instead? I thought you needed an SSN or EIN to apply for another EIN. Also, how difficult is it to change the responsible party after the fact if it turns out to be incorrect?

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Ava Johnson

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Foreign nationals without an SSN should use an ITIN (Individual Taxpayer Identification Number) when applying for an EIN as the responsible party. If they don't have an ITIN, they should apply for one using Form W-7. The IRS has processes in place specifically for foreign owners of US businesses. Changing the responsible party after the fact is relatively straightforward but needs to be done correctly. The current responsible party needs to file Form 8822-B (Change of Address or Responsible Party) with the IRS. This form must be signed by someone who has authority to sign on behalf of the business entity. The process typically takes a few weeks to process.

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Amina Sy

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One thing to note - there's a difference between being listed as a third-party designee and being listed as the responsible party. The third-party designee is just authorized to speak with the IRS about the application, but the responsible party is the person who controls, manages, or directs the entity and the disposition of its funds and assets. Check Box 3 on the SS-4 form (or the online equivalent) - that's where the responsible party info should be. If your name is there instead of your friend's, you'll definitely want to file Form 8822-B to correct it. This is especially important because the responsible party is liable for the entity's tax compliance.

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So based on what you're saying, I should definitely be concerned about my name appearing with "sole mbr" on the letter? Does this suggest I'm actually listed as the responsible party in their system?

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Amina Sy

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Yes, you should be concerned. The "sole mbr" designation next to your name strongly suggests you've been incorrectly recorded as the single member (owner) of the LLC in the IRS system, not just as the third-party designee who helped with paperwork. This discrepancy indicates you're likely listed as the responsible party, which means the IRS currently considers you responsible for the entity's tax obligations. I'd recommend filing Form 8822-B to correct this immediately. Until it's fixed, you could potentially be held liable for any tax issues related to this business, even though you're not the actual owner.

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I had a similar issue last year with my cousin's LLC. Make sure to keep a paper trail of everything while you're sorting this out. When we called the IRS, we got different answers from different representatives, which made things even more confusing.

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What kind of documentation did you end up needing to prove who the actual LLC owner was? I'm helping my partner with something similar and want to be prepared.

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Madison King

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This is definitely something you need to address quickly. I went through something very similar when I helped my brother-in-law apply for an EIN for his consulting LLC. The same thing happened - my name appeared on the official letter in a way that suggested I was the business owner rather than just the person who helped with the paperwork. What I learned is that the IRS online system can be confusing about where to enter third-party designee information versus responsible party information. In many cases, people accidentally enter the third-party designee's SSN in the responsible party field, which is exactly what it sounds like happened to you. The good news is this is fixable, but you'll want to act fast. I ended up having to file Form 8822-B to change the responsible party information back to my brother-in-law. The process took about 6 weeks, but during that time I was technically on the hook for any tax issues related to his business. I'd also recommend getting a copy of the actual SS-4 application that was submitted to see exactly what information was entered where. You can request this from the IRS, and it will show you definitively whether you were listed as the responsible party or if it's just a formatting issue with the letter.

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This is really helpful advice, especially about requesting the actual SS-4 application! I hadn't thought about getting a copy of what was actually submitted. How do you go about requesting that from the IRS? Do you need to call them or is there a specific form to fill out? Also, did you face any issues during those 6 weeks while you were technically listed as the responsible party - like any notices or correspondence being sent to you instead of the actual business owner?

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StarSeeker

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To request a copy of the SS-4 application, you can call the IRS Business & Specialty Tax Line at 800-829-4933 or submit Form 4506-T (Request for Transcript of Tax Return) specifically requesting the EIN application transcript. The phone route is usually faster if you can get through. During those 6 weeks, I did receive one notice that should have gone to my brother-in-law - it was about quarterly tax filing requirements for his LLC. That's when I realized how serious this issue was, because the IRS was treating me as the business owner for all correspondence. I had to forward it to him and explain that he needed to handle it, but it was definitely stressful knowing I was technically responsible until the correction went through. I'd also suggest having your partner start the ITIN application process immediately if he doesn't have one already, since that's what should have been used as the responsible party identifier instead of your SSN.

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I've been following this thread closely because I'm dealing with a very similar situation right now. My business partner (also a foreign national) asked me to help with their EIN application last month, and I'm now wondering if I made the same mistake you did. One thing I want to add that hasn't been mentioned yet - if your friend's LLC is registered at the state level, make sure the responsible party information matches between the state registration and the federal EIN. Having mismatched information between state and federal records can create additional complications down the road, especially if there are ever any audits or compliance issues. Also, while you're getting this sorted out, I'd recommend documenting everything in writing. Keep copies of all forms you file, notes from phone calls with the IRS (including dates, times, and the names of representatives you spoke with), and any correspondence you receive. If there are ever questions later about who the actual business owner is, having a clear paper trail will be invaluable. The fact that you're catching this early is really good - I've heard horror stories of people not realizing this mistake until tax season, which creates much bigger headaches. Good luck getting it resolved!

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This is excellent advice about matching state and federal records! I hadn't considered that potential complication. Quick question - if there's already a mismatch between what's on file with the state versus what got submitted to the IRS, does that need to be corrected at the state level too, or will fixing the federal EIN information be sufficient? I'm wondering if having inconsistent responsible party information could trigger any red flags during routine compliance checks.

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Jackie Martinez

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm actually in a similar situation where I helped a friend apply for an EIN and I'm now worried I might have made the same mistake. One thing I wanted to add that I learned from my accountant - if you're listed incorrectly as the responsible party, it's not just about tax liabilities. It can also affect your personal credit if the business has any issues with the IRS down the line. The responsible party designation creates a legal connection between you and the business entity that goes beyond just taxes. Also, for anyone dealing with this issue, I'd suggest reaching out to the person you helped ASAP to make them aware of the situation. They need to understand that until this gets corrected, they might not receive important IRS correspondence about their business, which could lead to missed deadlines or penalties. In my case, my friend had no idea there was an issue until I told him, and by then we'd already missed a quarterly filing notice that came to me instead of him. The sooner everyone involved understands the scope of the problem, the faster you can work together to get it resolved properly.

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Amina Diallo

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This is such an important point about the credit implications that I don't think gets discussed enough! I had no idea that being incorrectly listed as the responsible party could potentially affect your personal credit score. That definitely adds another layer of urgency to getting this fixed quickly. Your advice about notifying the actual business owner immediately is spot on too. I can imagine how confusing it would be for them to not receive expected IRS correspondence and not understand why. It's probably worth having a conversation with them about setting up some kind of temporary forwarding system for any business-related mail until the correction goes through. Do you happen to know if there's a way to expedite the Form 8822-B process given the potential for missed communications? It sounds like the standard 6-week processing time others mentioned could result in important deadlines being missed if notices keep going to the wrong person.

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