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Tax implications of renting an apartment owned by a church - donation vs. rent questions

I just moved into an apartment that's owned by a local church. The rent payments are supposed to be made directly to the church, but they specifically asked me not to write "rent" in the memo line of my checks. This has me wondering about the tax implications. Are they trying to make my rent payments look like donations to the church? If that's what they're doing, would I be able to claim these payments as charitable donations on my taxes? I'm planning to ask my sister's accountant about this too, but wanted to get some advice here first since tax season is approaching. Thanks for any insights!

Zane Gray

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This is definitely something to be cautious about. Churches are tax-exempt organizations, but they still need to properly report rental income. When they ask you not to write "rent" on the memo line, it raises some red flags. To be clear: rent payments are NOT tax-deductible as charitable donations, even if paid to a church. A legitimate charitable contribution must be a true gift with no expectation of receiving goods or services in return. Since you're receiving housing in exchange for your payments, this is a rental transaction, not a donation. The church may have legitimate reasons for this request, but it could potentially be improper tax reporting on their part. Churches can own rental properties, but the income must be properly reported, especially if it's not directly related to their religious activities.

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Thanks for explaining this. Do you think I should be concerned about potential legal issues on my end if I continue making payments without "rent" in the memo line? I'm worried about being somehow implicated if they're doing something improper.

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Zane Gray

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You're right to be thoughtful about this. As the tenant, you're not responsible for how the church reports its income. However, for your own protection, I recommend keeping detailed records of all payments and having a clear written lease agreement that specifies these payments are for rent. If you're concerned about improper reporting, you could simply leave the memo line blank rather than writing "donation" or something misleading. The most important thing is that you don't try to claim these payments as charitable deductions on your tax return, as that would be improper and could lead to issues for you with the IRS.

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Serene Snow

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Former property manager here. Churches and other nonprofits often own investment properties as part of their portfolio. This is completely legal, but there are specific tax rules they need to follow. The request to leave the memo line blank isn't necessarily nefarious - they might just have a specific accounting system that categorizes different income streams. However, you should definitely have a proper lease agreement that clearly states you're renting. For your taxes, just remember: if you're getting something in return (housing), it's not a charitable donation regardless of who your landlord is.

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What if the church is offering me a below-market rent? Like if apartments in my area go for $1500 but they're only charging me $1000, could I deduct that $500 difference as a donation?

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Serene Snow

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Great question. Unfortunately, even if you're getting a discounted rent, you still can't claim any portion as a charitable donation. The IRS is very clear that you can only deduct actual cash or property that you donate without receiving benefits in return. The fact that you might be getting a good deal doesn't create a deductible donation. If the church wants to structure this properly where part is rent and part is treated as a donation, they would need to set up separate transactions and provide you with proper documentation for the donation portion, completely independent of your rental agreement.

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Romeo Barrett

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Are you a church member? Sometimes churches offer discounted housing to their members as part of their ministry. In that case, they might want checks without "rent" on them because internally they categorize it differently - maybe as "member housing support" or something similar.

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No, I'm not actually a member of this church. I just found the apartment listing online and applied like I would for any other rental. That's partly why their request seemed a bit odd to me. The rent is pretty much market-rate for the area too, so it's not like I'm getting a special discount or anything.

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I work in nonprofit accounting (not for a church, but similar tax rules apply). Churches can absolutely own rental properties, but they should be reporting that income properly, especially if it's unrelated to their charitable mission. If the rental activity is substantial enough, they might even need to pay Unrelated Business Income Tax (UBIT). When they ask you not to write "rent" on the check, it raises questions about whether they're properly tracking different income sources. As others have said, this doesn't affect your tax situation directly - you can't deduct rent as a charitable donation regardless. But for your own protection, make sure you have a proper lease and keep good records of all payments.

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Justin Trejo

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What's this UBIT thing? I didn't know churches had to pay taxes on anything.

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Caesar Grant

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UBIT stands for Unrelated Business Income Tax. While churches and other nonprofits are generally tax-exempt, they still have to pay taxes on income from business activities that aren't directly related to their charitable or religious mission. So if a church runs a coffee shop open to the public, or owns rental properties purely as investments, that income might be subject to UBIT. The idea is to prevent tax-exempt organizations from having an unfair advantage over regular businesses in commercial activities. The rules can get pretty complex depending on how the income is generated and whether it's considered "substantially related" to the organization's exempt purpose. That's probably why proper categorization and reporting is so important for the church in this situation.

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AstroAce

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Just wanted to add that you should definitely get a written lease agreement if you don't already have one. Even if the church is handling everything above board, having clear documentation that specifies these payments are for rent (not donations) will protect you if the IRS ever questions your tax returns. I've seen situations where tenants got into trouble because they couldn't prove their payments to tax-exempt organizations were actually rent and not attempted charitable deductions. A proper lease agreement eliminates any ambiguity about the nature of your payments. Also, keep copies of all your canceled checks and payment records. If there's ever an audit, you'll want to be able to demonstrate that this was a legitimate rental arrangement from day one.

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This is excellent advice about getting everything documented properly. I'm actually dealing with a similar situation where I'm renting from a nonprofit organization, and I initially didn't think much about getting a formal lease since they seemed trustworthy. But you're absolutely right that having clear documentation protects both parties. One thing I learned is that even if the organization has good intentions, their internal accounting practices might not align with what you need for your tax records. Having a written lease that explicitly states these are rental payments gives you solid proof if any questions come up later. Thanks for pointing out the importance of keeping payment records too - I hadn't thought about how canceled checks showing regular monthly payments to the same organization could be important evidence of a legitimate rental arrangement.

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StarStrider

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I'm dealing with something very similar right now! My landlord is a religious organization and they've been really unclear about how they want payments handled. Reading through all these responses has been incredibly helpful. One thing that stood out to me is the importance of having everything properly documented. I realized I never got a formal lease agreement - just some informal emails about move-in dates and payment amounts. After seeing all the advice here about protecting yourself with proper documentation, I'm definitely going to request a written lease that clearly states these are rental payments. The point about UBIT was really interesting too. I had no idea that tax-exempt organizations could still owe taxes on certain types of income. It makes me wonder if that's why some of these organizations are sensitive about how rental income gets categorized in their books. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences and knowledge. It's reassuring to know that as long as I don't try to claim rent as a charitable deduction, I should be fine on the tax side of things.

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Sofia Ramirez

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I'm glad this thread has been helpful for your situation! You're absolutely right about getting that formal lease agreement - it's one of those things that seems unnecessary until you really need it. I went through a similar process last year when I was renting from a nonprofit, and having that written documentation made such a difference when tax season came around. Even though my landlord was completely legitimate, having clear paperwork eliminated any second-guessing about how to handle the payments on my tax return. The UBIT aspect is fascinating, isn't it? It really shows how complex the tax rules can be even for organizations that are generally tax-exempt. It makes sense that they'd want to be careful about how different income streams are categorized in their accounting systems. Best of luck getting your lease situation sorted out properly! It sounds like you're taking all the right steps to protect yourself.

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Ava Garcia

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This is a really important topic that more people should be aware of. I've been following this discussion and wanted to share something that might be helpful - the IRS actually has specific guidance on this exact situation in Publication 526 (Charitable Contributions). The key point everyone has made here is absolutely correct: rent payments are never deductible as charitable contributions, even when paid to a tax-exempt organization like a church. The IRS is very clear that you can only deduct contributions where you receive nothing of value in return. What's particularly concerning about your situation is the instruction not to write "rent" on the memo line. While there could be innocent explanations (like internal accounting preferences), this could also indicate the organization isn't properly categorizing rental income, which creates compliance issues for them. For anyone in similar situations, I'd recommend: 1) Get a written lease that clearly identifies payments as rent, 2) Keep detailed payment records, 3) Never claim these payments as charitable deductions on your return, and 4) If you have concerns about the organization's practices, consider consulting with a tax professional or contacting the IRS directly. The suggestions about taxr.ai and Claimyr seem useful for getting professional guidance when you need it. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - it's really helpful to see how others have navigated these situations.

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GalacticGuru

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This is such a comprehensive breakdown of the situation - thank you for referencing Publication 526! I hadn't thought to look up the specific IRS guidance on this, but that's exactly the kind of official source that puts all these concerns to rest. Your four-point checklist is perfect for anyone dealing with this situation. I especially appreciate how you've laid out both the tenant's responsibilities (getting proper documentation, not claiming false deductions) and the potential red flags to watch for on the landlord's side. One thing I'm curious about - if someone suspects their landlord (church or other tax-exempt organization) is improperly categorizing rental income, is there any obligation to report that to the IRS? Or is it more of a "not your problem as the tenant" situation as long as you're handling your own taxes correctly? It seems like the consensus here is that tenants should focus on protecting themselves with proper documentation rather than trying to police their landlord's tax compliance, but I'd be interested in your thoughts on that aspect.

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