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Gabriel Ruiz

Starting a second job online - how should I fill out my W-4 for multiple income sources?

I just started a side gig teaching languages online that pays $15/hour. My main employer already had me fill out a W-4 when I got hired, but this online teaching company is telling me I need to handle the W-4 myself since I'm "technically not employed by them" and they pay by commission. They're not providing me with a W-4 form. I'm confused about how to properly fill out a W-4 for this second job situation. Do I need to adjust my original W-4 at my primary job? Create a new W-4 for this online teaching job? And if the company isn't giving me a form, where do I even submit it? I don't want to mess up my taxes or end up owing a bunch at the end of the year.

It sounds like the online company is treating you as an independent contractor, not an employee. That means you wouldn't fill out a W-4 at all - W-4 forms are only for employees. Instead, you'll likely receive a 1099-NEC form from them at tax time showing your earnings. As an independent contractor, you're responsible for paying your own taxes on that income. The company won't withhold anything. You'll need to make quarterly estimated tax payments to the IRS if you expect to owe $1,000+ in taxes from this income. The good news is you can deduct business expenses related to this teaching work - things like portion of internet costs, any teaching supplies, etc. Just keep good records!

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Peyton Clarke

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If they're paying by commission does that automatically make you an independent contractor? How do you know for sure if you're an employee vs contractor? My side hustle is similar and I'm confused whether I should be getting a W-2 or 1099.

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Payment structure doesn't automatically determine your classification, though commission-only is common for contractors. The key factor is control - if the company controls when, where and how you work, you're likely an employee. If you have flexibility on these things and they don't provide equipment/training, you're probably a contractor. Ask them directly if they'll be issuing you a 1099. If they confirm this, you're definitely a contractor and won't need a W-4. You might want to fill out a W-9 form for them instead, which provides your tax info for 1099 reporting.

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Does that service help with figuring out what expenses you can deduct? I'm doing food delivery on the side and have no idea what I can write off.

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Vince Eh

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If they're paying you commission, you're almost certainly a contractor not an employee. My advice: put aside about 25-30% of whatever you make from this gig for taxes. Better to have too much saved than not enough! Also, get a separate credit card just for any expenses related to this teaching job. Makes it WAY easier to track deductions at tax time. I learned this the hard way after my first year of freelancing!

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Aria Khan

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Is it really 25-30%? That seems so high! Does that include state taxes too or just federal?

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That includes both federal and state, which is why it's on the higher side. Federal self-employment tax alone is 15.3% (that covers Social Security and Medicare - you pay both halves when self-employed), plus your regular income tax rate on top of that. The exact amount depends on your total income and state, but 25-30% is a safe estimate for most people. If you end up setting aside too much, hey - that's a nice little bonus for yourself after filing! Much better than scrambling to find money you've already spent when you realize you owe more than expected.

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Everett Tutum

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Just double checking... if they're treating you as a contractor, you need to report this on Schedule C, not as regular W-2 wages, right? I made this mistake my first year with a side gig and had to file an amended return.

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You're exactly right. Contractor income goes on Schedule C, not as W-2 wages. This is important because Schedule C is where you can deduct your business expenses to reduce your taxable income.

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