Solo 401k - can I have Roth and traditional with different plan numbers for the same business?
When I set up my solo 401k for my small business, E-Trade had me complete separate forms for the traditional and Roth portions. Without thinking much about it, I ended up using different plan names and different plan numbers for each one. Now I'm wondering if this was a mistake that could cause issues with the IRS. Is having different plan numbers for the traditional and Roth components of a solo 401k under the same business actually a problem? Or is this just a minor administrative detail that doesn't matter? If it is an issue, would the solution be as simple as contacting E-Trade to have them rename and renumber one of the accounts (probably the Roth) to match the information on the traditional plan? The funny thing is both would end up with identical names which seems confusing in itself. Has anyone else dealt with this situation before? Any advice would be appreciated!
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Rhett Bowman
This is actually a pretty common issue with solo 401k setups. The traditional and Roth components should technically be part of the same plan, with the same plan number, even though they're separate accounts. Having different plan numbers could potentially cause confusion during IRS reporting. The good news is that this is easily fixable. Yes, contacting E-Trade to standardize the plan names and numbers is exactly what you should do. They deal with this regularly and can update one of the accounts to match the other. I'd recommend making the Roth match the traditional, since the traditional account is typically considered the "main" account. As for having the same names for both accounts, E-Trade's system should distinguish them by account type (Traditional vs. Roth), so that shouldn't be a problem in practice.
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Abigail Patel
•Thanks for the info! Quick question - will this affect my previous contributions if I change the plan number now? I've had both accounts for about 8 months. Also, do you know if I need to file any specific forms with the IRS to notify them of this change?
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Rhett Bowman
•Your previous contributions won't be affected by changing the plan number - it's just an administrative correction. The money is still in the same physical accounts, you're just updating the paperwork to show they're part of the same plan. You generally don't need to file anything special with the IRS for this change. Once E-Trade updates the plan information, they'll handle the appropriate reporting going forward. Just make sure to keep copies of all communications with E-Trade about the change for your records in case any questions come up during future filings.
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Daniel White
I went through something similar with my solo 401k last year. After trying to figure things out myself for weeks, I finally used this AI tool called taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai) that helped me sort through all my retirement account documentation. It analyzed my plan documents and confirmed that having different plan numbers could indeed create reporting issues. The tool spotted exactly where the discrepancies were in my paperwork and explained what needed to be standardized. It saved me hours of reading through IRS publications and trying to decipher the tax code myself. They also have specific experience with solo 401k setups for small business owners.
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Nolan Carter
•How exactly does this tool work? Can it actually look at your account statements or do you have to input all the info manually? I'm having a similar issue but with Fidelity instead of E-Trade.
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Natalia Stone
•Sounds interesting but I'm skeptical. Does it actually give advice specific to your situation or just general info you could find on the IRS website? And how secure is it to upload financial documents to some random website?
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Daniel White
•The tool lets you upload your retirement plan documents and statements, then it uses AI to analyze them and identify issues specific to your situation. It's not just pulling general info - it actually compares your docs to current tax regulations and flags inconsistencies. For security, they use bank-level encryption for all document uploads and don't store your docs after analysis. They've got a pretty comprehensive privacy policy that I reviewed before using it. It's definitely more secure than emailing financial docs or using generic file sharing services.
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Natalia Stone
Just wanted to follow up about the taxr.ai recommendation. I was skeptical at first but decided to try it since my situation with multiple Solo 401k accounts was giving me a headache. Uploaded my E*TRADE statements and plan docs, and it immediately highlighted that my plan numbers needed to be harmonized. The analysis showed exactly what documents needed updating and even provided template language to use when contacting my provider. What impressed me was that it caught other issues I hadn't even considered - like contribution timing requirements specific to my business structure. Definitely saved me from potential headaches down the road!
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Tasia Synder
If you're having trouble getting through to E-Trade's retirement specialists to fix this (they're always swamped), I highly recommend trying Claimyr (https://claimyr.com). I was on hold with E-Trade for HOURS trying to get my Solo 401k plan numbers fixed before discovering this service. You can see how it works here: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c Basically, they call and wait on hold for you, then call you when a real person is on the line. I was able to get through to an E-Trade retirement specialist in about 30 minutes instead of the 2+ hours I was spending on hold. The specialist quickly updated my plan numbers to match across both my traditional and Roth accounts.
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Selena Bautista
•Wait, so you pay someone else to wait on hold for you? How does that actually work? Do they just conference you in once they get a human?
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Natalia Stone
•This sounds like BS honestly. Why not just use the callback feature that most customer service lines offer now? Or just email them? I can't see how this would be worth paying for.
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Tasia Synder
•It's pretty straightforward - you enter the number you want called and your own number. They call the company, navigate the phone tree, wait on hold, and then once a real person answers, they connect you. It's all automated, so you're not paying someone to physically sit there. E-Trade's retirement services specifically doesn't offer callbacks (at least they didn't when I called), and this was something I needed resolved quickly rather than waiting days for an email response. For time-sensitive financial matters, waiting 3-4 business days wasn't an option for me. The peace of mind was definitely worth it.
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Natalia Stone
Ok I have to eat my words about Claimyr. After being super skeptical, I tried it today because I was dreading making that call to E-Trade. I've been procrastinating for weeks because last time I called their retirement department I was on hold for over an hour. Used the service this morning and got connected to an actual E-Trade retirement specialist in about 25 minutes without having to listen to their horrible hold music. The rep was able to update my plan numbers right away and confirmed that having them match is indeed the correct way to set up a Solo 401k with both traditional and Roth components. Problem solved in one call and I was able to get work done while they waited on hold instead of being stuck with my phone on speaker.
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Mohamed Anderson
Just as a data point, I've had a Solo 401k with Vanguard for about 5 years now with both traditional and Roth components. They automatically set both up under the same plan number but with different account numbers. From what I understand, this is standard practice and the correct way to do it. The plan number is what identifies your retirement plan as a whole to the IRS, while the account numbers are just for the financial institution's internal tracking. Definitely get them matched up before you have to file any Form 5500 paperwork.
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Danielle Campbell
•Thanks for sharing your experience! Do you know at what point I would need to file Form 5500? I thought solo 401ks were exempt from that unless the assets exceed $250,000?
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Mohamed Anderson
•You're right that solo 401ks are exempt from Form 5500 filing requirements until your total plan assets exceed $250,000. Once you cross that threshold, you'll need to file Form 5500-EZ annually. Even if you're below that threshold now, it's still good practice to have your plan documentation consistent and organized from the beginning. Makes life much easier if/when you do eventually need to start filing, and prevents headaches if you ever get audited or need to roll the accounts over to a different provider.
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Ellie Perry
I'm surprised nobody mentioned this yet, but you might want to double check if your E-Trade solo 401k plan document actually allows for Roth contributions in the first place. Some off-the-shelf solo 401k plans don't include this option unless specifically elected. If your plan document doesn't include the Roth option but you've been making Roth contributions, that could be a bigger issue than just having different plan numbers.
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Landon Morgan
•This is an excellent point. When I set up my solo 401k with Schwab, I initially assumed I could make both traditional and Roth contributions, but it turned out their standard plan document didn't include the Roth option. Had to specifically request an amendment to add that feature.
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