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Should we file MFJ vs. MFS when working in different states with different tax rates?

We're getting married in December and I'm trying to figure out how to handle our taxes next year. My fiancée and I work in different states with completely different income tax situations - I'm in a state with zero income tax, while she's paying 5% in her state. My initial thought was to file Married Filing Separately (MFS) to keep our state tax situations distinct. We're also closing on a house next month and should pay around $42k in mortgage interest next year, which is more than the $29.2k standard deduction we'd get if filing jointly. I'm wondering if there's any benefit to filing MFJ vs MFS given our situation, or if there's some way we could file MFJ but still have the state income tax only apply to her W-2 income? As a side question - we're both planning to do backdoor Roth IRA conversions next year. Our Traditional IRA balances are currently $0. Will choosing MFJ vs MFS cause any complications with these backdoor Roth conversions? This is all new territory for me and I want to make sure we're making the best decisions for our situation.

Filing MFJ (Married Filing Jointly) is usually more beneficial than MFS for most couples, even with different state situations. Here's why: MFJ typically provides better tax brackets, higher deduction thresholds, and access to more credits that aren't available with MFS. With MFS, you both must either take standard deduction or both itemize - you can't mix and match. For your state tax situation - even when filing MFJ federally, most states with different residency situations allow you to file separate state returns reflecting your individual state tax obligations. So you could file MFJ federally while your wife files a state return for her state and you don't file one (since your state has no income tax). Regarding backdoor Roth IRA conversions - there's good news! Filing MFJ vs MFS doesn't affect the mechanics of the backdoor Roth, especially since you both have $0 Traditional IRA balances. However, filing MFS does reduce your Modified Adjusted Gross Income (MAGI) limit for Roth IRA contributions to just $10,000, which could prevent direct contributions. With MFJ, you'd have a much higher MAGI limit.

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Wait, so if we file MFJ federally, can my wife still be the only one paying state income tax? Like her W2 would be the only income subject to state tax while mine wouldn't be? Or would all our income get lumped together for state calculations too?

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For state taxes, when you live or work in different states, each state generally only taxes income earned within that state. So when filing MFJ federally, your wife would only file and pay taxes on her income in her state, and you wouldn't need to file in her state unless you had income there. Most states that have income tax have a way to allocate income between residents and non-residents when filing. Your wife would only pay tax on her earnings in her state, not on your income earned in your no-tax state. You'd need to check her specific state's rules, but typically there are forms for allocating income between spouses when only one is a resident.

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How does this actually work? Does it do all the forms for you or just tell you what to do? My husband and I are going to be in a similar situation next year (GA and TX) and I'm already getting nervous about the filing process.

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It does complete all the forms for you! It basically works like other tax software but with better handling of complex situations. You upload documents and it extracts all the information, then guides you through state-specific questions. It ended up filing our federal return jointly and then properly filed my NY state return while correctly excluding my husband's Florida income. As for comparing to a CPA, I actually did both last year - used taxr.ai and also had a consultation with a CPA. The results were nearly identical but taxr.ai cost significantly less. That said, if you have extremely complex situations like multiple businesses or unusual investments, a CPA might still be worthwhile. For most multi-state situations though, I found the software completely sufficient.

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One thing to consider that nobody has mentioned yet: if you do backdoor Roth conversions and file MFS, the income limits are MUCH lower. With $0 traditional IRA balances you're in good shape for the conversion itself, but check if your income exceeds the MFS limits. Also, don't forget that MFS prevents you from claiming several valuable credits like student loan interest deduction, education credits, EIC, and child tax credit (if you have kids). The additional standard deduction for MFJ might actually outweigh your mortgage interest deduction too, especially if the interest amount decreases over time.

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Thanks for bringing up the backdoor Roth issue - I hadn't considered the income limits difference between MFJ and MFS. Would filing MFS actually prevent us from doing backdoor Roth conversions completely? Or would it just mean we'd need to do the conversion step rather than direct contributions?

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Filing MFS wouldn't prevent backdoor Roth conversions completely - you can still do them. The key is that with MFS, you can't make direct Roth contributions if your MAGI exceeds $10,000 (which for most people it does). But the backdoor method would still work fine. You'd follow the same process: make a non-deductible contribution to a Traditional IRA, then convert that amount to a Roth IRA. Since you both have $0 Traditional IRA balances, there's no pro-rata rule complication to worry about. The conversion itself isn't affected by filing status - it's just the direct contribution limits that change with MFS. So you're good to go either way!

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Watch out for the "married filing separately" trap if either of you have student loans on income-based repayment! If you file MFS, they'll only consider that person's income for the payment calculation, which can be advantageous. But if you file MFJ, they look at your combined income which can dramatically increase payments. This caught me and my wife off guard last year - our combined income drove her payments way up after we filed jointly. Might not apply to your situation but worth considering.

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Also worth noting that you can't deduct student loan interest if you file MFS! We had to decide between lower IDR payments (with MFS) versus taking the student loan interest deduction (with MFJ). Ended up spreadsheetibg both options to find the best one.

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Mortgage interest is just one part of the equation and may not be as beneficial as you think. Your $42k in interest would be tax deductible, but remember: 1) You'd also need to add in property taxes under SALT (state and local tax deduction), which is capped at $10k 2) Only the amount OVER the standard deduction ($29.2k for MFJ) gives you tax savings, so really only about $13k of your interest is actually saving you money 3) With MFS, the standard deduction per person is only $14.6k, so you'd have less to overcome Have you run the actual numbers through a tax calculator? I'd be shocked if MFS works out better when factoring in the higher tax brackets and lost credits.

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Great question! As someone who went through this exact situation last year, I can share what worked for us. We ended up filing MFJ federally and it saved us about $4,200 compared to MFS, even with our different state situations (I'm in Tennessee - no income tax, spouse in Virginia - 5.75%). The key insight is that federal and state filing decisions are separate. You can file MFJ federally while still handling your state taxes appropriately - your wife would only pay state tax on her income earned in her state, and you wouldn't need to file in her state at all. A few important considerations for your situation: 1) **Mortgage interest benefit**: With MFJ, you'd get the full $42k deduction against your combined income in higher tax brackets. With MFS, you'd split this somehow and lose the bracket advantages. 2) **Backdoor Roth**: Definitely file MFJ for this! MFS limits you to just $10k MAGI for direct Roth contributions, while MFJ gives you much higher limits. The conversion mechanics are the same either way since you have $0 traditional IRA balances. 3) **Other deductions**: MFJ preserves access to student loan interest deduction, education credits, and other benefits that disappear with MFS. I'd strongly recommend running the numbers both ways using tax software or consulting a professional, but in most cases MFJ comes out significantly ahead even with multi-state complications.

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