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Kayla Morgan

Should we be filing taxes jointly or separately? Married couple confusion about W-4 and Roth IRA

My wife and I just found out we owe about $4,700 in taxes this year and I'm freaking out a bit. We don't have any kids or dependents. Our tax guy suggested we should update our W4 forms to "married filing separately" but now I'm concerned because I've been maxing out my Roth IRA contributions and I just learned you can't contribute to a Roth if you're married filing separately?? My main question is: Does what's on the W4 form actually matter for Roth contribution eligibility, or is it only what filing status we choose when we actually submit our tax return in 2025? Like if our W4s say "married filing separately" but we end up filing jointly next year, will I get penalized for the Roth contributions? Another option according to the IRS calculator: if we don't change our W4s at all, we'll owe another $4,700 next year, but it says I could withhold an extra $350 from each paycheck (I'm paid every two weeks) to cover it. That would be about $8,400 in extra withholding for the rest of 2024, which seems way higher than what we're projected to owe. My tax guy hasn't called me back and I'm stressing out about what to do. Any advice would be really appreciated!

James Maki

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Your W-4 and your actual tax filing status are two separate things. The W-4 just tells your employer how much to withhold from each paycheck. Your actual filing status is determined when you file your tax return. You can have "Married Filing Separately" on your W-4 for higher withholding purposes but still file "Married Filing Jointly" on your actual tax return. This won't affect your Roth IRA eligibility at all. The Roth IRA rules only care about your actual filing status on your tax return, not what's on your W-4. For your withholding issue, the IRS calculator is trying to make sure you don't owe again, but it's probably front-loading the calculation. $350 biweekly might be more than you need, but better safe than sorry. You could split the difference and withhold maybe $200 extra per check, then reassess in a few months using the calculator again.

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Kayla Morgan

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Oh that's such a relief! So we can change our W4s to MFS for withholding purposes but still file jointly next tax season and my Roth contributions will be fine? Do you think there's any advantage to doing the MFS on the W4 vs just increasing our withholding amount while keeping the W4 as "married filing jointly"?

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James Maki

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Yes, your Roth contributions will be completely fine! The IRS only looks at your actual tax return filing status for Roth eligibility, not your W-4 withholding settings. As for which approach is better, mathematically they can achieve the same result. But I personally prefer the "increase withholding while staying Married Filing Jointly" option because it's simpler and less confusing. You can precisely control how much extra comes out of each check, rather than switching to a different withholding table that might take too much or too little.

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Cole Roush

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Can this handle situations where income varies a lot throughout the year? My husband is in sales so his commissions make our withholding calculations really complicated.

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Arnav Bengali

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Kayla Morgan

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Wait, so this actually works? How exactly does it get you through faster than just calling the normal IRS number? I've tried calling them before and just gave up after being on hold forever.

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Rachel Tao

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Something else to consider - if you're consistently owing each year, you might want to check if you're subject to estimated tax penalties. The IRS has a "safe harbor" rule where you need to pay in at least 90% of your current year tax or 100% of your prior year tax (110% if your AGI is over $150k) through withholding to avoid penalties. Personally I just set my withholding higher than needed because I'd rather get a refund than owe, even if it means giving the government an interest-free loan. The peace of mind is worth it for me.

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Kayla Morgan

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I didn't even consider the penalty issue! Our combined income is about $175k so I guess we'd need to hit that 110% threshold. Is there an easy way to check if we'd get hit with penalties for this current tax year?

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Rachel Tao

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You can use Form 2210 to check if you'll be subject to penalties. At your income level, you'd need to have paid in at least 110% of your 2023 total tax liability through withholding during 2024 to avoid penalties. For a quick calculation, look at your 2023 return, find your total tax line (should be line 24 on Form 1040), multiply that by 1.1, and that's your safe harbor amount. Make sure your 2024 withholding will reach at least that amount by year end. If you'll fall short, that's where either changing your W-4 or adding additional withholding comes in.

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Derek Olson

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Just my two cents as someone who went through this exact situation last year - increasing withholding on your existing W4 is MUCH easier than switching to MFS for withholding purposes. When I switched to MFS on my W4 but filed jointly, it created confusion with our HR department and they kept asking questions. Plus the MFS withholding tables sometimes withhold TOO much depending on how your incomes compare to each other. My husband and I ended up with a huge refund which was nice but also meant we had less money throughout the year.

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Danielle Mays

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Agreed! And if you do go the route of increasing withholding, make sure to check the "extra withholding" box on your W-4 rather than adjusting your status. That way it's crystal clear exactly how much extra is being withheld each pay period.

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Melody Miles

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I went through almost the exact same situation a few years ago and can definitely relate to the stress! Just to add some reassurance - the distinction between your W-4 withholding status and your actual filing status is really important to understand, and several people have explained it well here. One thing that helped me was to think of the W-4 as just instructions to your payroll department about how much tax to take out of each paycheck. It has zero impact on what filing status you actually choose when you file your return in April. So you could absolutely set your W-4 to "Married Filing Separately" to increase withholding, but then file "Married Filing Jointly" next year and your Roth IRA contributions would be perfectly fine. That said, I'd echo what others have mentioned about just increasing your withholding amount instead of changing your status on the W-4. It's cleaner and gives you more precise control. The IRS withholding calculator tends to be conservative (better to overwithhold than underwithhold), so don't be surprised if that $350 biweekly seems high - you can always adjust it down later in the year if needed. Also definitely look into that penalty safe harbor rule that was mentioned. At your income level, as long as you pay in 110% of last year's total tax through withholding, you won't face any underpayment penalties even if you end up owing again.

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Thanks for the detailed explanation! This really helps clarify things. I think I'm leaning toward just increasing the withholding amount rather than changing the W-4 status - it sounds like it'll be less confusing for everyone involved. Quick question about the safe harbor rule - when you say 110% of last year's total tax, is that the amount we actually paid in taxes or the amount that was withheld? Like if we owed $4700 this year, does that mean our actual tax liability was higher than what was withheld from our paychecks? I'm going to pull out our 2023 return tonight and do that calculation you mentioned. Hopefully we can get this sorted out before it becomes an even bigger problem!

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