Self Employment Taxes on a loss for dog grooming business?
I'm helping my sister with her taxes and I'm confused about something. She works full-time at an accounting firm but also has a dog grooming business she runs from her garage on weekends. The issue is, her dog grooming side hustle didn't actually make any money this year. She brought in about $27,350 in total income from grooming services, but after all her expenses, she's actually showing a loss of around $5,200. Her expenses include stuff like grooming supplies ($4,800), equipment rental ($3,900), advertising ($2,000), part-time helper wages ($19,800), utilities specifically for the business area ($590), and other miscellaneous costs. Do we even need to report this on her taxes since she took a loss? And can she use this loss to offset some of her regular job income? She mentioned something about wanting to file sales tax instead of state income tax, but I'm not sure that makes sense if the business didn't actually profit. Is there anything she can claim from this loss to help reduce her overall tax burden?
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Cass Green
Yes, you absolutely need to report the business on her tax return, even though it shows a loss. This is actually good news! The loss from the dog grooming business can offset her other income from her full-time job, reducing her overall taxable income. She'll need to file Schedule C to report the business income and expenses, which will show the net loss. This loss will then flow to her Form 1040. Self-employment losses can be very valuable for tax purposes as they directly reduce your taxable income. As for the sales tax vs. state income tax question, these are separate issues. Sales tax is something she collects from customers and remits to the state (depending on your state's laws regarding services like dog grooming). State income tax is based on her income. The business loss would reduce her state taxable income as well, but she still needs to file state income tax returns.
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Finley Garrett
•Wait, so even though she's operating at a loss, filing Schedule C could actually help her? I've been avoiding starting my own side business because I was worried about the tax complications. Are there any red flags the IRS looks for with business losses that could trigger an audit?
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Cass Green
•Yes, filing Schedule C with a loss can definitely help her tax situation by reducing her overall taxable income. This is completely legitimate as long as the business expenses are ordinary and necessary for the business. Regarding audit concerns, the IRS does look more closely at businesses that repeatedly show losses year after year. They want to ensure the activity is a legitimate business and not just a hobby. If your sister genuinely intends to make a profit with her dog grooming business, keeps good records, operates in a businesslike manner, and can show efforts to improve profitability, she should be fine even with a loss. Just make sure all expenses claimed are strictly for the business and properly documented.
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Madison Tipne
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Holly Lascelles
•Does it work for services businesses too? I do freelance graphic design and I'm drowning in receipts and not sure what counts as a business expense vs personal.
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Malia Ponder
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Madison Tipne
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Holly Lascelles
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Kyle Wallace
This thread is super helpful, but I'm still having trouble with one thing - I've been trying to call the IRS for WEEKS to get clarification about reporting my business losses, but I can't get through to a human no matter what time I call. I'm worried about making a mistake and getting audited. Anyone have tips? Actually, I found this service called https://claimyr.com that got me through to an IRS agent in under 15 minutes. You can see how it works here: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c. I was skeptical but it actually connected me directly to an IRS agent who answered all my questions about my business loss situation. The agent confirmed that I could definitely claim the loss from my side business against my regular income, and gave me specific advice about documentation I should keep.
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Ryder Ross
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Gianni Serpent
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Kyle Wallace
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Gianni Serpent
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Henry Delgado
One thing nobody mentioned yet - make sure the dog grooming business qualifies as a business and not a hobby in the IRS's eyes. If they determine it's a hobby, you can't deduct losses against other income. They look at whether you run it in a businesslike way, depend on the income, put in time and effort to make it profitable, etc. A few years of losses might be ok but they get suspicious if it never makes money.
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Miranda Singer
•That's a really good point! My sister definitely treats it like a business - she has separate bank accounts, business cards, advertising, and she's been working on adjusting her pricing to be more profitable. She's only been doing it for about 18 months, so this is her first year with a full 12 months of operation. Does that help her case for it being a legitimate business vs a hobby?
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Henry Delgado
•Yes, that definitely helps her case! Separate business accounts, marketing materials, and actively working on pricing strategies all demonstrate business-like behavior. The fact that it's only been running for 18 months is also helpful - the IRS generally expects businesses might have losses in their early years. For additional protection, I'd suggest she document her efforts to make the business profitable - like market research, business plan updates, or courses she's taken to improve her skills or efficiency. The IRS uses a nine-factor test for determining hobby vs. business, and documentation showing profit motive is crucial. With her full-time job providing income, she's not dependent on the grooming business for livelihood, which could be one mark against her, but the other factors you mentioned strongly support treating it as a legitimate business.
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Olivia Kay
Has anyone used TurboTax Self-Employed for reporting a business loss? Is it worth the extra cost compared to the regular version?
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Joshua Hellan
•I used it last year for my photography side gig that showed a small loss. It was pretty straightforward for getting the Schedule C done correctly, and it asked all the right questions to make sure I got all possible deductions. I think it was worth it for the peace of mind.
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