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'Self-Employed' income or 'Hobby income'? How to report app revenue for tax purposes

Title: 'Self-Employed' income or 'Hobby income'? How to report app revenue for tax purposes 1 Hi everyone, I'm a full-time software engineer and I need some advice on whether to report some side income as hobby or self-employment on my taxes. About 5-6 years ago, I created an app and published it on the Apple App Store for free. I've been paying the $125 annual developer fee just to keep it available. Last year I decided to make it a paid app to see if I could generate some revenue or at least offset the developer fee. In 2023, the app brought in approximately $240 in sales, but after Apple took their commission, I ended up with around $170. Now I'm trying to figure out how to properly report this on my 2023 tax return. I personally think of this as a hobby that occasionally generates a little cash. I don't depend on this money at all. I've spoken with a few tax CPAs informally, and they're split on which approach makes more sense. Those suggesting "self-employment" income say: - When I made it a paid app, my intent was to generate profit - If I report it as a hobby for multiple years, the IRS might eventually determine it's actually self-employment - With hobby income, I can't deduct expenses like the developer fee or Apple's commission Those suggesting "hobby income" say: - This isn't really a business, and maintaining Schedule C for self-employment can be complicated - If I declare it as self-employment and claim deductions, the taxable profit is minimal, which might look suspicious to the IRS over time When I switched from free to paid, I was curious about potential earnings but wasn't planning to invest significant time to make it profitable. If it ended up losing money overall, I'd be fine with that. I might adjust the pricing, but that's about it. Any guidance would be really appreciated!

8 Based on what you've described, this sounds more like self-employment income than hobby income, but let me explain why. The IRS generally looks at nine factors when determining if an activity is a business or hobby, with the most important being your intention to make a profit. When you switched your app from free to paid specifically to generate revenue, that demonstrates profit motive, even if it was a small amount. A key disadvantage of reporting as hobby income is that since the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017, hobby expenses are no longer deductible as miscellaneous itemized deductions. This means you'd report all income but couldn't deduct the developer fee or Apple's commission. With self-employment, you'd report on Schedule C where you can deduct legitimate expenses like the developer fee, resulting in a more accurate picture of your actual profit. Yes, you'll pay self-employment tax on the net profit, but if your expenses nearly offset your income, this might be minimal. Don't worry too much about the IRS questioning consistent small profits. Many legitimate small businesses operate with minimal margins, especially while growing. Just make sure you keep good records of all income and expenses related to the app.

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12 This makes sense, but I'm worried about triggering an audit with Schedule C. I heard the IRS targets small businesses more often. Is there some minimum profit threshold where they don't really care?

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8 The IRS doesn't have a specific profit threshold where they automatically ignore a business. While Schedule C filers may face slightly higher audit rates than W-2-only taxpayers, having a legitimate business with proper documentation greatly reduces your risk. Small profits alone won't trigger an audit. The IRS is more concerned with unusual deductions, extremely high expenses relative to income, or inconsistencies in reporting. Keep detailed records of your developer fee payments, correspondence with Apple showing your commissions, and any other app-related expenses.

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5 The analysis goes well beyond just repeating IRS publications - it applies the nine-factor test to your specific situation and shows you exactly which factors weigh toward business vs. hobby in your case. It's much more nuanced than other tools I've tried. It absolutely helps with identifying deductible expenses. For my woodworking situation, it specifically outlined which workshop tools, supplies, and even a portion of my garage utilities could be legitimately claimed. It also helped me understand record-keeping requirements for each type of expense.

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22 For the app specifically, I'd definitely go with Schedule C self-employment. I'm a developer with 3 small apps that make under $500/year combined, and my CPA insists this is the correct approach. The key benefit is being able to deduct your expenses. With hobby income reporting, you'd pay taxes on the full $170 with no deductions for the developer fee. With Schedule C, you can deduct the $125 developer fee, any hosting costs, and even a portion of your computer/software expenses if they're used for app development. Just make sure you document everything really well. Keep receipts for the developer fee, screenshots of your Apple commission statements, etc.

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1 Does using Schedule C mean I'll have to pay self-employment tax though? That's an additional 15.3% right? Seems like I'd end up paying more in taxes than the app even made.

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22 Yes, you'll pay self-employment tax on your net profit (after expenses). The rate is 15.3%, but remember that only applies to your profit, not gross income. If your app made $170 and you paid $125 in developer fees, your profit is only $45. Self-employment tax on that would be about $7. Plus, you can deduct half of your self-employment tax on your 1040, which lowers your income tax slightly. Your tax software should handle all these calculations automatically once you enter the income and expenses on Schedule C. It might seem complicated, but it's actually quite straightforward when you're dealing with simple business expenses.

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4 I think an important factor nobody's mentioned is FUTURE plans for the app. If you intend to keep developing it, adding features, or creating more apps, the IRS would likely see this as an ongoing business activity rather than a hobby. One advantage of filing as self-employed now is that it establishes a pattern if your app income increases in the future. It's easier to start as self-employed and stay consistent than to switch from hobby to self-employed when profits increase.

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15 This is a really good point. I started reporting my photography side gig as a hobby and when it grew into a real business, my accountant said switching the classification looked suspicious.

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I'm dealing with a similar situation with my freelance graphic design work that I do occasionally on weekends. Based on everything I've read here and my own research, it really seems like the profit motive test is key. The fact that you deliberately switched your app from free to paid shows clear intent to generate profit, even if the amount is small. That's probably the strongest indicator that this should be treated as self-employment rather than a hobby. I'd also consider what you plan to do going forward. Are you going to keep the app paid? Might you develop other apps? Even small actions like adjusting pricing or promoting the app could further demonstrate business intent. The expense deduction issue is huge too. Losing the ability to deduct that $125 developer fee means you're essentially paying taxes on income you didn't actually receive after expenses. That seems fundamentally unfair and not what the tax code is designed to do. I think I'm leaning toward Schedule C for my own situation after reading all these responses. Better to establish the pattern now while everything is well-documented and straightforward.

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