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Amara Nwosu

Schedule 1 and foreign earned income exclusion - showing negative adjusted income?

So I've been working overseas for the past year and claiming the foreign earned income exclusion. When I started filling out my taxes using Free Fillable Forms, I entered my exclusion amount ($121,500) and it populated on my 1040, but now I'm showing a really negative adjusted gross income. Like WAY negative. Is this supposed to happen? I thought the exclusion would just zero out my income, not make it negative. My total income before the exclusion is around $95,000, so when the system applies the full exclusion it's going below zero. Something feels off here but I can't tell if this is normal or if I messed something up. Anyone dealt with this before? First time using the exclusion and I'm completely confused by how it's affecting my AGI.

AstroExplorer

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This is actually a common issue when using Free Fillable Forms with the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion (FEIE). The negative AGI happens because the form is subtracting your full exclusion amount from your income, even though your actual foreign income is less than the maximum exclusion amount. You should only exclude the amount you actually earned foreign ($95,000 in your case), not the maximum allowable exclusion amount ($121,500). When you input the FEIE on Form 2555, you should enter your actual foreign earned income, not the maximum exclusion amount. The system will then cap it at the correct amount. If you're showing a negative AGI, it definitely indicates something is wrong with how the exclusion was entered. The exclusion can reduce your income to zero, but it shouldn't create a negative AGI.

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But I thought you always put the max exclusion amount on the form? My tax guy last year told me to always claim the full amount even if I didn't make that much. Was he wrong?

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AstroExplorer

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You should only exclude the amount you actually earned. Your tax preparer was incorrect if they told you to claim the maximum regardless of your earnings. The Foreign Earned Income Exclusion lets you exclude foreign earnings up to the annual limit ($121,500 for 2024 tax year), but you can't exclude more than you actually earned abroad. When you put in more than your actual foreign earnings, you're essentially telling the IRS you earned negative money from other sources, which triggers the negative AGI. Just adjust your Form 2555 to reflect your actual foreign earnings of $95,000, and the negative AGI issue should resolve itself.

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Dylan Cooper

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Does it work with all the foreign tax forms? I've got some passive income from overseas investments too, and I'm using the Foreign Tax Credit for those. Will it catch mistakes with that too?

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Sofia Perez

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Sofia Perez

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Update: I tried taxr.ai after my skeptical question earlier and wow - it immediately flagged my Schedule 1 issue! The tool showed me I was entering the exclusion amount wrong and exactly how to fix it. My negative AGI problem is gone now. It also pointed out that I was missing a filing requirement for my foreign bank accounts that I had no idea about. Could have been a huge penalty. Way more helpful for my expat situation than I expected. Just needed to upload my draft forms and it highlighted everything that needed fixing.

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How does this even work? The IRS phone lines are impossible to get through. Is this legit or just another scam trying to get personal info?

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Ava Johnson

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Yeah right. No way they can get you through to the IRS that quickly. I've tried calling about my foreign income situation for WEEKS with no luck. If this actually worked, everyone would be using it.

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It's basically a callback service that uses automated dialing to wait on hold with the IRS for you. When they reach an agent, they call you and connect you directly. I was skeptical too but it's just a connection service - they don't ask for any tax info, just your phone number to call you when they get through. It's not free but honestly after wasting three days trying myself, it was worth it to get my question answered quickly. The IRS agent was super helpful explaining how the foreign income exclusion should be entered on the forms and confirmed that seeing a negative AGI means you've entered something incorrectly.

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Ava Johnson

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I can't believe I'm saying this, but I tried the Claimyr service and it actually worked. Got connected to an IRS international tax specialist in about 30 minutes who explained exactly how to fix my negative AGI issue with the foreign earned income exclusion. The agent confirmed that you should only exclude what you actually earned (up to the maximum). They also explained that the negative AGI was happening because Free Fillable Forms was applying the full exclusion amount against my smaller income. They walked me through exactly where to adjust the numbers on Form 2555 to match my actual foreign income and now everything calculates correctly. Saved me from filing with a weird negative AGI that would have definitely triggered a letter from the IRS.

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Miguel Diaz

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Make sure to check if you need to file Form 8833 as well if you're claiming benefits under a tax treaty! I had the same issue with negative AGI last year because of the foreign income exclusion, but I also needed to file additional forms because of my country's tax treaty with the US. If your income is from a country with a US tax treaty, there might be better options than just the exclusion. Some countries let you claim foreign tax credits instead which can be more beneficial depending on your situation.

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Amara Nwosu

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I'm in Germany, do you know if there's a treaty I should be looking at? Honestly I'm now wondering if I should just hire someone because this is getting complicated fast.

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Miguel Diaz

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Yes, Germany does have a tax treaty with the US! Look up the US-Germany tax treaty online or check IRS Publication 901 for the specifics. The treaty has special provisions for certain types of income. For your situation, you might actually be better off using Foreign Tax Credits instead of the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion, especially if you're paying higher taxes in Germany than you would in the US. With credits, you can often eliminate double taxation while potentially keeping some US tax benefits that you lose with the exclusion. I'd definitely recommend at least consulting with a tax professional who specializes in expat taxes - it can save you much more than it costs.

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Zainab Ahmed

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Has anyone managed to get this right using the Free File Fillable Forms? I'm having the same negative AGI issue and I can't figure out which form is causing the problem. Is it Schedule 1 or Form 2555 that I need to fix?

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Connor Byrne

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The issue is on Form 2555. When you complete this form, make sure you're only excluding your actual foreign earned income (the amount you actually made) on Line 42, not the maximum exclusion amount. The form will automatically cap it at the maximum allowed ($121,500 for 2024), but you should input your actual earnings. Then check Schedule 1 Line 8o to make sure that same amount (your actual foreign income, not the maximum) appears there as a negative number. This should resolve the negative AGI issue on your 1040.

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Zainab Ahmed

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Thank you! That fixed it. I was putting the maximum exclusion amount instead of my actual foreign income. Once I changed Form 2555 to show my actual income of $87,300 instead of the maximum $121,500, the negative AGI disappeared. I also realized I needed to complete Part VIII of Form 2555 when using the Free Fillable Forms, which I had completely missed before. It's working correctly now!

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Amina Diallo

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I had this exact same issue last year! The negative AGI is definitely not normal and indicates an error in how you're entering the foreign earned income exclusion. What's happening is that Free Fillable Forms is applying the full $121,500 exclusion amount against your $95,000 income, creating a negative $26,500 AGI. You should only exclude what you actually earned abroad ($95,000 in your case). On Form 2555, make sure you're entering your actual foreign earned income amount, not the maximum allowable exclusion. The form will automatically limit it to the annual maximum, but it can't exclude more than you actually earned. Once you fix this on Form 2555, it should carry over correctly to Schedule 1 and your 1040, eliminating the negative AGI. This is a really common mistake with the FEIE - I think a lot of people assume you should always claim the maximum, but that's not how it works.

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Miguel Ortiz

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This is super helpful! I'm dealing with the same issue right now and was so confused about why my AGI went negative. Just to clarify - when you say "actual foreign earned income," do you mean just my salary, or does that include things like housing allowances and cost of living adjustments that my employer provides while I'm overseas? I want to make sure I'm not missing any income that should be included in the exclusion calculation, but also don't want to over-exclude like what happened to the original poster.

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