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Revocable Trust owns LLC that runs Amazon FBA business - Should income go on 1040 Schedule C or 1065?

I need some guidance from people who've dealt with this particular tax structure before. My wife and I are the grantors and co-trustees of a Revocable Trust that we set up last year. The Trust completely owns an LLC which runs our Amazon FBA business selling handmade jewelry. We live in Georgia (not a community property state) and we haven't made any special tax elections for the LLC. I'm trying to figure out how to properly report the business income from this arrangement. The way I see it, the LLC is a Single-Member LLC owned by the Trust, which makes it a disregarded entity for tax purposes. And since our Revocable Trust is a grantor trust (also disregarded), it seems like my wife and I should report the income on our personal tax return. But here's where I'm confused: 1. Should we report the business income on our 1040 using Schedule C, or do we need to file a Form 1065 partnership return? 2. If we use Schedule C, should we file two separate ones (one for each of us) or just one? I've researched this and understand that: - The LLC is a SMLLC owned by the Trust (disregarded entity) - Our Revocable Trust is a grantor trust (also disregarded) - An LLC owned by spouses in a non-community property state typically files Form 1065 - But since the LLC is owned by the Trust and not directly by us, maybe it's still just a SMLLC disregarded entity Anyone have experience with this specific setup? Appreciate any insights from knowledgeable folks.

You've got a pretty common scenario here with a slightly uncommon twist. Based on your structure, here's how the tax reporting should work: Since the Revocable Trust is a grantor trust, it's disregarded for tax purposes, meaning you and your wife are considered the "tax owners" of everything in the trust. When you add in the fact that the LLC is wholly owned by this disregarded trust, the LLC is effectively owned by you and your wife for tax purposes. In a non-community property state like Georgia, an LLC with two individual owners (you and your wife) would typically need to file Form 1065 (partnership return). The fact that you own it through a disregarded revocable trust doesn't change this multi-member status. If you had made the spousal qualified joint venture election, you could have used Schedule C, but that only applies to directly owned businesses, not those held in a trust structure like yours. I recommend filing Form 1065 for the LLC and issuing K-1s to both you and your wife. This properly reflects the underlying economic arrangement and avoids potential issues with the IRS questioning why a multi-member LLC didn't file a partnership return.

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But what if they amended their trust to state that the wife has no beneficial interest in the LLC? Couldn't they then argue it's a SMLLC and use Schedule C? I've seen some tax attorneys recommend this approach for simplicity.

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That's theoretically possible, but would create more complications than it solves. Amending the trust to exclude one spouse from an asset goes against the typical purpose of a revocable living trust, which is to hold assets for both spouses' benefit. It could raise questions about fraudulent transfers or inconsistent positions if estate planning documents suggest otherwise. Even if they did amend the trust, they'd need clear documentation showing only one spouse has any beneficial interest in the LLC, which might be difficult to prove if both spouses are co-trustees and co-grantors of the trust. The IRS could still look through this arrangement and determine it's effectively a partnership.

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My tax accountant recently handled a very similar situation for me. His guidance was that the correct approach is filing Form 1065 because: 1. The revocable trust is disregarded → making you and your wife the effective owners 2. The LLC is owned by the trust → making you and your wife the effective owners of the LLC 3. Multi-member LLCs in non-community property states default to partnership treatment He also mentioned there's a risk with filing just Schedule C(s) because if you're ever audited, the IRS could impose penalties for failure to file partnership returns. One thing nobody's mentioned yet - if you haven't already started operating this way, you might consider restructuring slightly. If your state allows it, you could have each spouse own 50% of the LLC directly as community property (even in a non-community property state, you can sometimes elect to treat specific assets as community property). This would potentially allow you to use Schedule C instead of Form 1065.

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That's actually a really interesting point about restructuring. So are you saying that even though we live in Georgia (non-community property state), we could potentially have the trust distribute the LLC to us personally and then somehow elect to treat it as community property? How would that work exactly?

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You'd need to do a few things. First, yes, have the trust distribute the LLC interests to you personally (each getting 50%). Then you'd need to create a written agreement explicitly stating that you're electing to treat this specific business as community property despite living in a non-community property state. Some non-community property states recognize these agreements for specific assets, but it varies by state. It's called an "opt-in community property agreement" in some places. If properly documented, this could potentially allow you to be treated as a qualified joint venture, letting you file Schedule C instead of Form 1065. I'd strongly recommend consulting with both a tax attorney and an estate planning attorney before making this change, as it would affect both your tax situation and how these assets are treated for estate planning purposes. This restructuring might have unintended consequences for your overall estate plan.

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet - what's the actual benefit you're trying to achieve with this structure? If it's just liability protection, there might be simpler ways to structure this. I had a Revocable Trust -> LLC structure for my business initially, and it was a huge headache for taxes. I ended up restructuring to simplify things. If it's for estate planning, have you considered whether a SMLLC owned by one spouse (with appropriate estate planning) might achieve your goals with less complexity? Or potentially an irrevocable trust structure if you're looking for asset protection?

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This is actually a really good question. Sometimes people set up complex structures without clearly identifying the specific benefits they're trying to achieve. Each layer adds complexity and potential tax/legal issues.

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The main reason we set it up this way was for probate avoidance and simplified transfer if something happens to either of us. We have young kids and wanted to make sure the business could continue operating smoothly if either of us passed away unexpectedly. We did consider having just one of us own the LLC, but since we both actively work in the business, we wanted the structure to reflect our actual roles. The revocable trust seemed like a good solution for keeping everything under one umbrella, but I'm definitely open to simplifying if this creates unnecessary tax complexity.

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That makes sense for probate avoidance, but you might be overcomplicating things. A revocable trust can own business interests directly without needing the LLC layer in between if you're mainly concerned about probate. If you want liability protection AND probate avoidance, you might consider having the LLC owned directly by you and your wife (as joint tenants with right of survivorship or as tenants by the entirety if Georgia allows it), then creating transfer on death provisions in your operating agreement that specify how ownership transfers. This would still provide liability protection while simplifying the tax structure. For business continuity with minor children, you could include specific succession planning provisions in your operating agreement and potentially use life insurance held in an irrevocable trust to provide liquidity. I'd recommend consulting with an estate planning attorney who specializes in business succession planning - they might be able to suggest a cleaner structure that accomplishes your goals without creating tax filing complexity.

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Based on everything discussed here, it seems pretty clear that you'll need to file Form 1065 for your LLC. The consensus from multiple experienced folks is that the IRS will look through both disregarded entities (your revocable trust and the SMLLC) and see two ultimate beneficial owners in a non-community property state. I'd suggest getting this confirmed officially before filing, especially since you mentioned this is your first year with this structure. The penalty risks for filing incorrectly on partnership returns can be significant. Also, for next year's planning, you might want to evaluate whether this structure is still serving your needs. From what you've described about wanting probate avoidance and business continuity, there might be simpler ways to achieve those goals without the Form 1065 complexity. An estate planning attorney who works with business owners could probably show you some alternatives that accomplish the same objectives with cleaner tax reporting. Good luck with your filing - and congratulations on the successful Amazon FBA business!

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This is really helpful - thank you for summarizing everything so clearly! As someone who's been lurking on tax forums trying to figure out similar issues, it's great to see such a thorough discussion with practical advice. One quick follow-up question for the group: if they do end up filing Form 1065, are there any specific things to watch out for in terms of how to allocate the income between the spouses on the K-1s? Since they're both actively working in the business, I assume it would be 50/50, but I'm wondering if there are any nuances with the trust ownership structure that might affect this. Also, @4d3a8e299772, have you considered whether you need to make quarterly estimated payments differently now that you're potentially moving from Schedule C to partnership taxation? The timing and calculation might be slightly different.

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