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Ethan Brown

Retirement Plan Options: SEP-IRA vs. solo 401k for single member LLC taxed as an S-corp

I established my freelance engineering consulting single-member LLC (taxed as an S-corp) in July 2023. The business has done really well, and I'm trying to figure out the best retirement plan options. Here's how my numbers broke down for 2023: Sales: $405,000 Business Expenses: $67,500 Reasonable Salary: $95,000 Net income: $242,500 From what I can tell, I've missed the deadline to start a solo 401k for 2023 (Dec 31, 2023). Is my best move now to open a SEP-IRA for tax year 2023, then start a solo 401k for 2024 and future years? After going through publication 550 on the IRS website, it looks like my S-Corp could contribute around $23,750 (25% of my compensation) to a SEP-IRA for 2023 since the deadline is March 15th or September 15th with an extension. Anyone have experience with this situation or know if my understanding is correct? Is there anything else I should be considering?

Yuki Yamamoto

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You've got the right idea! Since you missed the December 31, 2023 deadline to establish a solo 401k, a SEP-IRA is indeed your best option for 2023 tax savings. Your understanding of the contribution limit is correct - as an S-corp, your business can contribute up to 25% of your compensation (your W-2 wages) to a SEP-IRA. With your $95,000 salary, the maximum SEP-IRA contribution would be $23,750. And yes, you have until your tax filing deadline (March 15) or extended deadline (September 15) to both establish and fund the SEP-IRA for 2023. Looking forward, establishing a solo 401k for 2024 makes a lot of sense since it generally allows for higher contribution limits. With a solo 401k, you can make both employee contributions (up to $23,000 for 2024, plus $7,500 catch-up if you're 50+) AND employer contributions (up to 25% of compensation), with a combined maximum of $69,000 ($76,500 if 50+).

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Carmen Ruiz

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If they switch to a solo 401k in 2024, can they still keep the SEP-IRA or would they need to roll it over? And does having both cause any complications? I'm in a similar situation but wasn't sure about having multiple retirement accounts.

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Yuki Yamamoto

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You can absolutely maintain both accounts simultaneously - there's no requirement to roll over or consolidate. The SEP-IRA can remain as-is while you start contributing to your solo 401k in 2024. Having multiple retirement accounts doesn't cause complications from a tax perspective. Each account has its own contribution limits and rules. The only potential consideration is that having IRAs (including SEP-IRAs) can impact your ability to do backdoor Roth conversions if that's part of your strategy, due to the pro-rata rule.

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Amara Eze

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Wanted to add something others haven't mentioned - with your income level ($242,500 net), you might want to consider a defined benefit plan instead of or in addition to your SEP/solo 401k setup. You can potentially contribute WAY more - potentially $100k+ annually depending on your age and other factors. The downside is they're more complex and expensive to administer (you'll need an actuary), but the tax savings could be enormous. Something to discuss with a good financial advisor who specializes in small business retirement planning.

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Ethan Brown

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That's really interesting! I hadn't even considered a defined benefit plan. Do you know roughly what the administrative costs would be? And would I be able to set one up even though I've already missed the deadline for 2023?

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Amara Eze

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Administrative costs typically run around $2,000-$3,500 annually for a one-person defined benefit plan, depending on the provider. You'll need an actuary to determine your contribution limits and file Form 5500 each year. There are some simplified options called "cash balance plans" that are a bit more flexible. Unfortunately, for 2023, you've missed the boat. Defined benefit plans must be established by the end of the calendar year (December 31, 2023). But given your income level, it's definitely worth considering for 2024. You could potentially put away $100,000+ annually depending on your age (the closer to retirement, the more you can contribute).

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Dumb question maybe, but why are you setting up an S-corp if you're just a single-member LLC? I've heard the tax savings aren't worth the headache until you're making well over $100k profit. Now you've got this whole retirement plan complication too.

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NeonNomad

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Not a dumb question at all. S-corps can save you a ton on self-employment taxes once you're making decent money. With OP's income ($242,500 net), the savings on Medicare and Social Security taxes alone are significant. If they were a straight LLC/sole prop, they'd pay 15.3% SE tax on almost everything. As an S-corp, they only pay FICA taxes on their "reasonable salary" ($95,000) and the rest ($147,500) is only subject to income tax, not SE tax. That's a savings of about $22,500 in SE taxes! The headaches are worth it at that income level.

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Omar Hassan

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Your analysis looks spot-on! You're absolutely correct about the SEP-IRA being your best option for 2023. Just to reinforce what others have said - with your $95,000 W-2 wages from the S-corp, you can contribute exactly $23,750 to a SEP-IRA (25% of compensation), and you have until March 15th to both establish and fund it. One thing I'd add: make sure you're documenting your "reasonable salary" justification well. The IRS scrutinizes S-corp salaries, especially when the salary seems low relative to distributions. Your $95k salary on $405k in sales might raise eyebrows, so having solid documentation about industry standards for engineering consultants will be important. For 2024, definitely go with the solo 401k - the flexibility is unmatched. You'll be able to contribute up to $69,000 total ($23,000 employee + up to $46,000 employer contribution based on your salary). Just remember to establish it by December 31, 2024, though you have until the tax deadline to actually fund it. Also worth noting: if your income continues to grow, consider bumping your salary a bit in 2024. Higher salary = higher retirement contribution limits, and it might help with IRS reasonableness tests.

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Beth Ford

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This is really helpful advice! I'm curious about the "reasonable salary" documentation you mentioned. What kind of industry standards documentation would be most convincing to the IRS? Are there specific resources or databases that are considered authoritative for engineering consultant salaries? I want to make sure I'm bulletproof on this since it seems like such a common audit trigger for S-corps.

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