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Benjamin Kim

Received IRS tax bill from 10 years ago - can I contest as an expat who never earned US income?

I just got hit with a notice from the IRS claiming I owe around $4,000 in taxes from unreported investment sales back in 2014. When I called them, they said I sold some investments that year (which my bank reported to the IRS) and I supposedly should have paid taxes on these gains. I was in my early 20s then and honestly had no clue I needed to pay taxes on this - I thought it was just education money! With interest over the years, it's now around $4,000. The IRS representative insisted they've been sending me notices every single year since 2014, but this is literally the first notice I've ever received about this issue. Even this notice was sent to my old address and only reached me because the people living there were nice enough to forward it. What's weird is the IRS clearly has my current address since I got my economic impact payment at my correct address earlier this year. Is there any way to fight this? I'm willing to pay the original tax amount if I legitimately owe it, but the interest seems unfair when they never properly notified me. I'm especially wondering if I even owe this tax at all since I've been an expat for nearly 20 years and have never earned any income in the US. For context: I left the US at 18 to study in Europe and never moved back. I've filed US taxes nearly every year since, always showing zero US income (either as a student with no income or using the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion). The investments I sold in 2014 were from an account my parents set up for my education. I liquidated it and moved the money to accounts outside the US to pay for my schooling. I'm a dual citizen now with no plans to return to the US. I'm seriously considering renouncing my US citizenship since it only creates hassles - it takes me longer to file US taxes (reporting zero income) than it does in the country where I actually live!

This is unfortunately a common situation with expats. The IRS has a 10-year collection statute of limitations, which means they can attempt to collect for 10 years after assessment. However, there are several ways you might be able to address this: First, you could request a "first-time penalty abatement" which the IRS often grants if you've been compliant with filing and payments in previous years. This would eliminate the failure-to-pay penalties, though not necessarily the interest. Second, you might qualify for "reasonable cause" relief if you can demonstrate you weren't properly notified. The fact that they were sending notices to an incorrect address while having your correct address for the stimulus payment could support this claim. Third, you might want to look into whether the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion actually covered these investment gains. Investment income is typically not covered by FEIE - it's designed for earned income like wages. However, if these were educational funds, there might be exceptions. I'd recommend writing a penalty abatement letter explaining your situation, focusing on the lack of proper notification and your consistent compliance with filing requirements. Include documentation showing when you moved abroad and your filing history.

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If the investment account was set up specifically for education, could this qualify as some kind of education exemption? I've heard there are special rules for education savings accounts like 529 plans. Would that make a difference in this case?

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Educational exemptions generally apply to qualified education expenses paid from certain types of accounts like 529 plans or Coverdell ESAs. If the investment account was one of these qualified accounts and the funds were used directly for qualifying educational expenses, there might be tax advantages. However, if it was a standard investment account that happened to be earmarked for education, the sale would still generally be taxable. What matters from the IRS perspective is the type of account and how the funds were used, not just the intention behind the money.

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Did they actually help with your specific expat situation? I've been living abroad for 15 years and find most tax services don't really understand the complexities of expat taxation. Did they know about things like FEIE and foreign tax credits?

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Have you considered requesting a transcript of your account from the IRS? It would show all correspondence they claim to have sent and might help your case if there are gaps or inconsistencies. You can request it online through the IRS website or by submitting Form 4506-T. Also, investment income is definitely taxable even for expats - the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion only applies to earned income like wages or self-employment income, not capital gains. But if these were educational funds in a specific type of account like a 529 plan and used for qualified education expenses, that's a different story.

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Thanks for this suggestion! I didn't even know I could request a transcript. Would this show if they actually sent notices or just that they generated them? Because if they generated notices but sent them to the wrong address, I'd think that still supports my case.

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The transcript would show when notices were generated and what address they were sent to. This can be crucial evidence if you're claiming lack of notification - if the transcript shows they were sending notices to an outdated address while having your current address on file for other purposes (like your stimulus payment), that strongly supports your argument. The transcript also shows exactly what type of investment was reported and the amount of gain calculated, which might help you determine if there were any special exemptions that could apply based on the nature of the educational fund.

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Did anyone mention the Taxpayer Advocate Service? They're an independent organization within the IRS that helps taxpayers resolve problems. This seems like exactly the kind of case they could help with - especially since there appears to be an issue with the IRS not properly notifying you despite having your correct address for other purposes. Their service is free and they have significant authority to cut through red tape. Just google "Taxpayer Advocate Service" and you'll find their contact info.

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