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Elijah O'Reilly

Received IRS Notice CP162A - Need help with penalty options!

I just got an IRS Notice CP162A for "Failure to File Penalty" and I'm really freaking out about what to do next. Tax Period: 9/30/22 Amount Due: $2250.00 Notice Date: 5/12/23 So here's what happened - I filed my Partnership 1065 form on February 22, 2022, which was well before the deadline. I sent it through regular mail (USPS) but didn't get tracking on it (big mistake, I know). Just yesterday my aunt forwarded me this notice from my old address. I'm pretty sure the IRS never received my filing and it got lost somewhere in the mail system, but I have no official proof of mailing. I still have the original tax return saved on my laptop with a "last modified" date of 2/23/22. Some details that might be relevant: - I have the saved tax return with that February date - My credit card statement shows a USPS charge from the next day - I used H&R Block software to prepare the return - I marked this as a Final Return when I e-filed for 2022 tax year (did that in March 2023) - This is the first penalty I've ever received for this LLC - I've moved from the address where they sent the notice My financial situation is really tight right now. There's absolutely no way I can pay a $2250 penalty, especially since the return showed zero activity (the LLC has been inactive since 2020 and is now closed). The business has zero income, and I'm personally only making about $1800 a month while my expenses are around $2900. My boyfriend helps with the rest of our bills. I'm honestly terrified about what to do. If I have to pay this, I could end up without housing. Any advice would be so appreciated.

Amara Torres

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You have several good options here! The IRS has processes for situations exactly like yours where mail gets lost. First, call the IRS at the number on your notice and explain that you mailed your return before the deadline. Request first-time penalty abatement - the IRS often waives penalties for taxpayers with clean compliance history, which you mentioned you have. If they won't grant that, file Form 843 "Claim for Refund and Request for Abatement" and attach any evidence you have showing you tried to file on time - your saved return with the February date and the credit card statement showing a USPS charge are both helpful supporting documents. Another option is to request a Collection Due Process hearing using Form 12153, which puts collections on hold and lets you dispute the penalty through a different IRS channel. Since you marked the 2022 return as "Final," that helps your case too because it shows consistency with what you're saying about the business being inactive. Don't panic about becoming homeless - the IRS has hardship programs and payment plans. They can put your account in Currently Not Collectible status if you truly can't pay.

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Thanks so much for these options! I had no idea about first-time penalty abatement. So I just call the number and ask for this specifically? Do I need to prepare any documentation before making the call? Also, with Form 843, do I need to include a written letter explaining my situation or just fill out the form and attach my evidence?

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Amara Torres

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You should call and specifically ask for "first-time penalty abatement" or "FTA" - the IRS representative will know what you mean. Have your notice handy with the tax ID number and notice details, but you don't need special documentation for the call. They can check your history in their system. For Form 843, definitely include a clear statement explaining your situation. Complete all parts of the form, and in Section 5a, check "reasonable cause" and explain you mailed the return on time but it wasn't received. Attach copies (not originals) of your saved return showing the February date and your credit card statement. Be specific about dates and what happened.

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Another option nobody mentioned - if you have proof you tried to file (like that USPS receipt and dated return), you can request abatement due to "reasonable cause" not just first-time abatement. Explain that you took reasonable steps to comply with filing requirements. The IRS actually has a specific reasonable cause category for "issues with mail and delivery" - I successfully used this when USPS lost my return last year. Submit a brief, clear letter explaining exactly what happened, include copies of your dated return and postal receipt, and cite "reasonable cause due to mail delivery issues beyond taxpayer control." This approach can work even if you're not eligible for first-time abatement for some reason.

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Does reasonable cause work better than first-time abatement? I've heard mixed things about which approach to try first.

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First-time abatement is usually easier to get since it's more of an administrative process - they just check if you qualify based on your history. Reasonable cause requires more subjective evaluation by the IRS, but it can be more powerful for your specific situation. I usually recommend trying first-time abatement first if you qualify since it's simpler. If denied, then try reasonable cause with your evidence. The good news is that requesting one doesn't prevent you from requesting the other if needed. Your situation with mail evidence sounds strong for reasonable cause if first-time abatement somehow doesn't work out.

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Grace Lee

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Random tip - make sure when you contact the IRS you update your address with them! Since you mentioned you moved and they're sending notices to your old address, you need to file Form 8822 immediately to update your address. If you don't, you might miss future notices or deadlines even if you resolve this current issue. The IRS will keep sending mail to your last known address until you officially notify them of the change.

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Good point! I completely forgot about updating my address. Will that form take care of it for both my personal and business addresses? The LLC is closed now but I still want to make sure I get any future correspondence.

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I went through almost the exact same situation with my LLC last year - CP162A notice, lost mail, tight finances, the whole nightmare. Here's what worked for me: 1. **Call immediately** - Don't wait. Use the number on your notice and ask specifically for "first-time penalty abatement" or "FTA". Have your notice and EIN ready. The rep can see your clean compliance history instantly. 2. **Document everything** - That saved return with the February date and your credit card statement showing the USPS charge are actually solid evidence. Print them out and keep copies handy. 3. **Currently Not Collectible status** - Since you mentioned your income vs expenses ($1800 vs $2900), you likely qualify for "Currently Not Collectible" status. This stops all collection activity while you're experiencing financial hardship. Ask about this on your call. 4. **Don't panic about housing** - The IRS won't make you homeless over this. They have hardship protections and you have legitimate grounds for abatement. I got my $1,950 penalty completely removed using first-time abatement. The call took about 45 minutes total, and I received confirmation by mail two weeks later. Your situation sounds even stronger than mine was since you have that postal receipt evidence. You've got this! The IRS deals with lost mail situations constantly - it's not as uncommon as you'd think.

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This is incredibly helpful, thank you! I'm feeling much more hopeful after reading your experience. Quick question - when you called for first-time penalty abatement, did they approve it immediately on the phone or did you have to wait for a decision? Also, did you mention the lost mail situation or just focus on the FTA request? I'm planning to call tomorrow morning and want to make sure I approach it the right way. Your point about Currently Not Collectible status is really reassuring too - I had no idea that was even an option.

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Freya Larsen

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They approved it right on the phone! The rep put me on hold for maybe 5 minutes to review my account, then came back and said "I can see you have a clean compliance history, so I'm approving first-time penalty abatement for the full amount." She immediately input the abatement and gave me a confirmation number. I mentioned both - I started by explaining the lost mail situation briefly, then asked about FTA. The rep actually said the lost mail gave me reasonable cause too, but FTA was faster since my history qualified me automatically. She said if I hadn't qualified for FTA, the reasonable cause would have been a strong backup. One tip: call early in the morning (I called at 7:15 AM) - the wait times are much shorter and the reps seem less rushed. Also, be polite and patient - these reps deal with angry people all day, so being calm and respectful goes a long way. The Currently Not Collectible status is a lifesaver when you're in financial hardship. Even if they somehow denied the abatement (which is unlikely given your situation), CNC would stop all collection activity while you get back on your feet financially.

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Ella Lewis

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I'm dealing with a very similar situation right now - got a CP162A notice for my dissolved LLC and panicked when I saw the penalty amount. Reading through all these responses has been incredibly helpful, especially learning about first-time penalty abatement. One thing I wanted to add that hasn't been mentioned - if you do end up needing to submit written documentation, make sure to send everything certified mail with return receipt. I learned this the hard way when the IRS claimed they never received my first abatement request (which I sent regular mail). Also, keep detailed notes of every phone conversation including the rep's name, ID number, and what was discussed. I wish I had done this from the beginning because when I had to call back about a different issue, having that information made the follow-up call so much smoother. The financial hardship angle is really important too. Don't be embarrassed to explain your situation honestly - the IRS has these programs specifically for people in tough financial spots. They're not trying to make you homeless over a filing penalty, especially when you have legitimate reasons like lost mail. Hope this helps and that you get it resolved quickly!

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Ella Thompson

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This is such great additional advice! The certified mail tip is really smart - I never would have thought about the IRS potentially claiming they didn't receive documentation. That's probably worth the extra cost for peace of mind. Your point about keeping detailed notes is spot on too. I'm definitely going to start a log with dates, times, rep names and confirmation numbers for every interaction. It sounds like having that paper trail could save a lot of headaches if you need to reference previous conversations. Thanks for sharing your experience - it's really reassuring to hear from someone going through the same thing. The combination of everyone's advice here has me feeling much more confident about tackling this tomorrow morning. I'm planning to call early, ask for first-time penalty abatement, and have all my documentation ready to go if needed.

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Ashley Simian

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I want to echo what others have said about first-time penalty abatement - it's definitely your best first option given your clean compliance history. However, I'd also suggest preparing a backup plan in case you run into any issues with that approach. Since you mentioned the LLC has been inactive since 2020 and is now closed, make sure to emphasize this to the IRS rep when you call. An inactive business with zero income that filed a final return in 2023 is a strong indicator that this was an honest mistake, not tax avoidance. One additional form to consider if the phone call doesn't fully resolve things: Form 656-L (Offer in Compromise for doubt as to liability). This is specifically for cases where you believe you don't actually owe the penalty - which applies to your situation since you did file on time but the return was lost in the mail. Also, when you update your address with Form 8822, consider filing Form 8822-B specifically for business entities. Even though your LLC is closed, this ensures any final correspondence gets to the right place. The key thing is don't let this consume you with worry. You have multiple strong options, solid evidence of timely filing, and legitimate financial hardship protections available. The IRS deals with lost mail situations regularly - you're not the first person this has happened to, and you won't be the last.

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This is all such comprehensive advice! I'm taking notes on everything mentioned here. The Form 656-L suggestion is really interesting - I hadn't heard of that option before. Since I genuinely believe I don't owe this penalty because I filed on time, that could be a good backup if the first-time abatement doesn't work out for some reason. Your point about emphasizing the inactive status is smart too. The fact that this LLC has been dormant since 2020 and I filed a final return in 2023 really does show this was just an unfortunate mail situation, not any attempt to avoid filing requirements. I'm definitely going to file Form 8822-B along with the regular 8822 to make sure both my personal and business addresses are updated properly. Better to be thorough now than miss future correspondence. Thank you so much for the reassurance about this being a common issue. It's easy to feel like you're the only person dealing with something like this, but hearing that the IRS handles lost mail situations regularly makes me feel much less alone in this. I'm planning to call first thing tomorrow morning with all this great advice in mind!

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Wesley Hallow

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Just wanted to add one more resource that might be helpful - if you're feeling overwhelmed by all the different options and approaches mentioned here, the IRS Taxpayer Advocate Service (TAS) can be a great backup resource if your initial attempts don't work out. TAS is an independent organization within the IRS that helps taxpayers resolve problems when normal IRS channels aren't working. You can reach them at 1-877-777-4778 or through their website. They're especially helpful in cases involving financial hardship, which definitely applies to your situation. What I like about TAS is that they assign you a specific advocate who stays with your case from start to finish, so you're not explaining your situation to a different person every time you call. They can also put holds on collection activities while they work on your case. That said, definitely try the first-time penalty abatement approach first - it's much faster and you have a great chance of success given your clean history. But it's good to know TAS is there as a safety net if needed. Also wanted to mention that when you do call tomorrow, if the first rep you speak with doesn't seem helpful or knowledgeable, it's totally okay to politely end the call and try again. Sometimes you just get connected with someone who's more experienced with penalty abatement cases. Don't feel bad about advocating for yourself! Good luck with your call - you've got this! 🙂

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Connor Richards

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This is such valuable information about the Taxpayer Advocate Service! I had no idea this resource existed. Having a dedicated advocate who stays with your case sounds incredibly helpful, especially for someone like me who gets anxious about having to re-explain complex situations to different people every time. The point about it being okay to politely end a call and try again is really reassuring too. I was worried about seeming difficult if the first rep wasn't helpful, but you're absolutely right that advocating for yourself is important when dealing with something this significant. I'm feeling so much more prepared and confident going into tomorrow's call thanks to everyone's advice here. The combination of trying first-time penalty abatement first, having the TAS as a backup option, and knowing about all the financial hardship protections available has really reduced my anxiety about this whole situation. Thank you so much for the encouragement and the emoji - it might seem small but it really helps to feel like there are real people rooting for me to get through this! I'll definitely update this thread after my call to let everyone know how it goes. 😊

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Reading through your situation, I can definitely relate to the panic you must be feeling right now. I went through something very similar with my S-Corp a couple years ago - got a CP162A notice for over $3,000 and thought my world was ending. The good news is that you actually have a really strong case here. The combination of your clean compliance history, the evidence you have (that February-dated return and USPS charge), and your genuine financial hardship gives you multiple paths to get this resolved. Here's what I'd recommend doing immediately: **Call the IRS first thing tomorrow morning** using the number on your notice. Ask specifically for "first-time penalty abatement" - don't get sidetracked explaining the whole lost mail situation initially. Just say "I'm requesting first-time penalty abatement for this failure to file penalty." Have your EIN and notice number ready. **If they approve it on the call** (which is very likely given your clean history), you're done! Get a confirmation number and ask when you'll receive written confirmation. **If for some reason FTA doesn't work**, then pivot to reasonable cause due to the lost mail. Your evidence is actually pretty solid - that saved return with the February timestamp plus the USPS charge the next day tells a clear story. **Don't forget to mention your financial hardship** - with income of $1,800 vs expenses of $2,900, you likely qualify for Currently Not Collectible status, which would stop all collection activity regardless. The most important thing is to not let this overwhelm you. The IRS has processes for exactly these situations, and you have legitimate grounds for relief. You're not going to lose your housing over this - they have protections in place for people in financial hardship. Keep us updated on how the call goes! You've got this! 💪

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Miguel Castro

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This step-by-step approach is exactly what I needed to hear! Breaking it down into these clear action items makes the whole process feel so much more manageable. I really appreciate you emphasizing to start with just asking for first-time penalty abatement without getting into all the details right away - I was planning to launch into the whole lost mail story immediately, but your approach sounds much more strategic. The reassurance about the financial hardship protections is huge for me. I've been losing sleep worrying about worst-case scenarios, but knowing that Currently Not Collectible status exists and that I likely qualify based on my income/expense situation gives me so much peace of mind. Your point about having legitimate grounds for relief really resonates with me too. Sometimes when you're in the middle of a stressful situation like this, it's easy to feel like you're asking for something you don't deserve, but you're right - I did file on time, I do have evidence, and these programs exist for exactly these circumstances. I'm definitely going to follow your recommended sequence tomorrow morning and will absolutely update everyone here on how it goes. Thank you so much for the encouragement and the muscle emoji - it's amazing how much a little support from strangers on the internet can help when you're feeling overwhelmed! 💪

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