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Dmitry Volkov

Question about 12b code D impact on tax refund - huge drop this year

I'm stressing out over my 2025 tax return and seeing a massive decrease compared to last year. I'm normally getting a decent chunk back, but this time I'm looking at about $1,500 less than 2024 even though I only made around $1,300 more in income. I always claim 0 on my W-4 to maximize my refund. I switched jobs in July, but I did the same thing last tax season without this issue. After digging through my W-2s, I noticed something weird on one of them. Box 1 (wages) shows $71,325.87, but boxes 3 and 5 (SS/Medicare wages) both show $73,664.32. I've never had this discrepancy with any employer before. The difference seems to be related to box 12b code D which shows $2,338.45. I've had pre-tax healthcare deductions at previous jobs and never saw this kind of difference between boxes 1, 3, and 5. Is it normal for this 12b code D to cause such a big drop in my refund? I'm completely confused since my withholding and financial situation are pretty much identical to last year except for this code showing up.

Ava Thompson

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What you're seeing is completely normal. Code D in box 12b represents elective deferrals to a 401(k) or similar retirement plan. The $2,338.45 is money you contributed pre-tax to your retirement account, which is why there's a difference between your Box 1 wages and your Social Security/Medicare wages. This retirement contribution isn't subject to income tax (reducing Box 1), but it IS subject to Social Security and Medicare taxes (hence the higher amount in Boxes 3 and 5). Your previous employer might have handled retirement differently, or perhaps you didn't have a 401(k) contribution there. As for your smaller refund, the 401(k) contribution actually helps reduce your tax liability, so that's not the culprit. The difference is more likely due to other factors: changes in tax brackets between years, different withholding rates at your new employer, or changes in available deductions or credits. Your mid-year job change might have caused some withholding calculation issues since each employer calculates withholding as if they're your only employer for the full year.

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CyberSiren

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So does that mean that OP's new employer is withholding less than their previous one? Even though they're both claiming 0? I thought claiming 0 meant maximum withholding no matter where you work.

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Ava Thompson

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Each employer calculates withholding based on your W-4 and your salary with them, without knowing about other jobs you might have had during the year. So if you switched from a $75K job to a $70K job mid-year, the new employer would withhold at a rate appropriate for someone making $70K annually, even though your actual annual income was higher when combining both jobs. Claiming 0 (or the equivalent on the newer W-4 forms) does result in higher withholding, but it's still calculated based on the projected annual salary from that specific employer. Additionally, the 2020 W-4 form redesign eliminated allowances (the "0" option), so withholding calculations changed significantly in recent years, potentially affecting your situation.

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Paolo Marino

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I work in payroll and can confirm what others are saying. Code D is for your pre-tax 401(k) contributions. This amount reduces your taxable wages (Box 1) but not your Social Security/Medicare wages (Boxes 3/5). Regarding your refund drop - the 401(k) contribution is actually HELPING your tax situation, not hurting it. The most likely explanation is that your new employer is withholding at a different rate despite you claiming "0". Since the 2020 W-4 redesign, there's no more "allowances" system with 0, 1, 2, etc. Now it's more complicated with multiple factors. Your new employer is probably using the new W-4 calculation method while your old one might have been using the legacy system.

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Dmitry Volkov

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Thanks for this explanation. So even though I thought I was doing the same thing at both employers by selecting "0" allowances, they could actually be using totally different withholding calculations? Should I just ask for additional withholding on my W-4 to make up the difference?

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Paolo Marino

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Yes, that's exactly right. Even though you requested maximum withholding at both places, they could be using different calculation methods, especially if one used the pre-2020 W-4 format and the other used the new one. The best approach is to use the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator on their website, which will give you a personalized recommendation for your W-4. If you want a simpler solution, you can just request additional withholding on Line 4(c) of your W-4. Based on your numbers, adding about $125 per month in additional withholding should get you back to the refund level you were expecting.

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Amina Bah

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Has anyone ever tried asking their employer for a breakdown of the difference between Box 1 and Box 3/5? My HR department gave me an itemized list showing exactly what made up that difference (401k, HSA, health insurance, etc) and it helped make sense of the whole thing.

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Oliver Becker

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Great idea! My company gives us access to an online portal where we can see all our deductions broken down by category. It shows pre-tax vs post-tax and which ones affect each box on the W-2. Made this a lot easier to understand when I had a similar issue.

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Dmitry Volkov

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I'll definitely try that. I just emailed my HR department asking for a breakdown of the deductions that make up the difference between Box 1 and Boxes 3/5. Hopefully they can explain exactly what's happening with these withholding calculations too. Thanks for the suggestion!

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