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Carmen Reyes

OIC car value: Should I deduct unfixed damage or stick to KBB for my Offer in Compromise?

I've been working on an Offer in Compromise (OIC) for the last six months and I think I'm finally ready to submit. Based on my calculations, I should qualify (if there's actually anyone at the IRS processing these things nowadays), but I'm stuck on how to handle my vehicle situation. About three years ago, I got an insurance settlement for around $2700 in damage to my car after a parking lot hit-and-run. I ended up using that money for bills because I was in a tight spot, so the damage never got fixed. On top of that, the transmission is starting to slip and there are some other mechanical issues that would need to be fixed if I wanted to sell it. I've gotten quotes from mechanics showing that repairing everything (the original damage plus the new issues) would cost about $4100 to bring the car to "good" condition. The KBB value in "good" condition is around $7800, but in its current state, it's probably worth closer to $3700-4000. For the OIC, should I just list the KBB value assuming "good" condition, or can I deduct the repair costs to show a more accurate value of what I could actually get for it? I don't want to undervalue assets and get rejected, but also don't want to overstate what I have.

Andre Moreau

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When filling out your Offer in Compromise (Form 656), you want to be completely honest but also accurate about your vehicle's actual value. The IRS is looking for the "quick sale" value of your assets - basically what you could realistically get if you needed to sell it quickly. For your car, I'd recommend using the KBB value in "fair" or "poor" condition (whichever more accurately reflects its current state), not "good" condition since that's not accurate. If you have documentation like mechanic quotes showing the necessary repairs, include those as attachments with your OIC package. Don't try to do your own math by taking the "good" value and subtracting repair costs - that could look like you're manipulating numbers. Instead, just use the appropriate condition rating that reflects reality. The IRS understands cars have issues and won't expect you to claim a perfect-condition value.

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Carmen Reyes

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That makes sense, but KBB's "fair" condition assumes all mechanical issues are fixed and it just needs cosmetic work. My car needs actual mechanical repairs to be safe/reliable. Should I get an actual written appraisal from a dealer instead?

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Andre Moreau

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Using KBB's "fair" condition is usually sufficient for most OIC situations, but you're right that it might not capture significant mechanical problems. Getting an actual written appraisal from a dealership or independent mechanic that states the current as-is value would provide stronger documentation. If you go the appraisal route, make sure it's on official letterhead and have them specifically state the "as-is" value considering all current mechanical and cosmetic issues. This gives you solid documentation to justify the value you're claiming on your OIC forms.

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From my experience working with clients on OICs, the best approach for assets like damaged vehicles is to document everything thoroughly. Take clear photos of all damage, get written repair estimates on company letterhead (not just verbal quotes), and print out KBB values for various conditions. Then include a detailed statement with your OIC explaining why you believe the actual value is $X. Remember that the IRS is required to use "quick sale" value, which is typically 80% of fair market value anyway. So if KBB shows $7800 in good condition, quick sale would be around $6240. Minus your $4100 in repairs, that's about $2140. But instead of doing that math yourself, just present all documentation and let the IRS make the determination. Being transparent and thorough is your best bet.

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Carmen Reyes

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Thank you! This is super helpful. Do you know if there's any specific form I should use for the detailed statement about the car's value, or should I just include a regular letter with my documentation?

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There's no specific IRS form for an asset value explanation. Just create a simple letter titled "Vehicle Valuation Statement" that includes: - Vehicle details (year, make, model, mileage) - Description of current condition and issues - List of all supporting documentation you're including - Brief explanation of why you believe the value is what you're claiming Keep it factual and concise - about one page maximum. Include this in your OIC package right behind your Form 433-A (Collection Information Statement) where you list the vehicle.

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Just wanted to add a quick tip - when I did my OIC last year, I used the NADA guide instead of KBB for my car values. My revenue officer told me they often prefer NADA because it tends to be more conservative and realistic about used car values, especially for older vehicles with issues.

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Dylan Wright

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I've heard this too. My tax pro said the IRS internal guidelines actually reference NADA more often than KBB. Worth checking both!

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