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Freya Thomsen

Need help understanding step-up in basis for S-Corps and QSSTs - tax implications?

Hey tax folks, I'm trying to wrap my head around this whole step-up in basis situation with S-Corporations and Qualified Subchapter S Trusts (QSSTs). My grandfather recently passed away and left me shares in his S-Corp through what I think is a QSST, but I'm completely lost on how this affects my tax situation going forward. From what I understand, there's some kind of tax benefit with the basis being "stepped up" to fair market value, but I'm not clear if this applies the same way with S-Corps and trusts as it does with regular inherited property. The company is valued around $3.7 million and my portion is roughly 18%. My regular tax person seems confused when I ask about how the QSST works with the step-up in basis rules. Does anyone have experience with this specific situation? Does the step-up apply to my shares in the S-Corp through the QSST? How do I calculate my new basis if it does? I want to make sure I understand the tax implications before I make any decisions about my ownership stake. Any insights would be super helpful!

Omar Fawaz

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The step-up in basis rules get complicated with S-Corps and QSSTs, so your confusion is totally understandable. When someone inherits assets through a regular inheritance, they generally receive a step-up in basis to fair market value at the date of death. However, with S-Corps and QSSTs, it's more complex. Here's what you need to know: For S-Corps: The underlying assets of the S-Corporation itself don't receive a step-up. Instead, your basis in the S-Corp shares is what gets stepped up to fair market value at the date of your grandfather's death. For QSSTs: Because a QSST is a grantor trust for income tax purposes, the IRS treats the beneficiary (you) as the direct owner of the S-Corp stock. When your grandfather passed, you should receive a step-up in basis to the fair market value of those S-Corp shares as of his date of death. To calculate your new basis, you'll need a proper valuation of the S-Corp as of the date of death. Since you mentioned the company is worth about $3.7 million and your portion is 18%, your new stepped-up basis would be approximately $666,000. This becomes important when you eventually sell your shares, as you'll only pay capital gains tax on appreciation above this new basis.

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Chloe Martin

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So does this mean if OP sells their shares right after inheriting them, they basically pay no capital gains tax since the basis just got stepped up to current value? And what about ongoing income from the S-Corp - does the step-up affect how that's taxed too?

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Omar Fawaz

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If the original poster were to sell their shares immediately after inheriting them at fair market value, they would likely recognize little to no capital gain, since their basis would be approximately equal to the selling price. This is one of the key benefits of the step-up in basis provision. Regarding ongoing income, the step-up in basis doesn't directly affect how S-Corporation income is taxed. As the beneficiary of a QSST, the original poster will continue to be taxed on their pro-rata share of the S-Corporation's income, regardless of whether distributions are made. This income passes through and is reported on their personal tax return. The step-up primarily benefits them when they eventually sell the shares.

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Diego Rojas

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How long did it take them to review everything? I've got a similar situation but with multiple trusts and I'm on a deadline for making some decisions.

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StarSeeker

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Sounds too good to be true tbh. Did they actually help with the valuation or just tell you that you needed one? Because business valuations cost thousands of dollars. Did you end up having any issues with the IRS afterward?

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Diego Rojas

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StarSeeker

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Zara Ahmed

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Luca Esposito

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Luca Esposito

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I'm actually eating my words about Claimyr. After my skeptical comment, I decided to try it with low expectations. Got connected to an IRS business tax specialist within 2 hours (vs. the 3+ hours I wasted last week trying to call myself). The agent walked me through exactly how step-up basis works with QSST-held S-Corp shares and explained that I needed to file Form 8949 with my next return to properly document the basis adjustment. She even emailed me specific IRS guidance documents about QSSTs and basis adjustments that I couldn't find online myself. Never would have gotten this level of help without getting through to the right department. Still shocked this actually worked.

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Nia Thompson

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One important thing nobody has mentioned yet - make sure you understand the difference between "inside basis" and "outside basis" with S-Corps. The step-up you get is on the outside basis (your basis in the S-Corp shares), NOT on the inside basis of assets the corporation owns. This distinction becomes super important if the company plans to sell assets or liquidate in the future. You might be thinking you're getting a larger tax benefit than you actually are!

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Could you explain this more? What exactly is inside vs outside basis? I'm in a similar situation but with an LLC taxed as an S-Corp and I'm confused about what basis gets stepped up.

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Nia Thompson

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Sure thing. Outside basis refers to your basis in the actual S-Corp shares themselves. When you inherit shares, this outside basis gets stepped up to fair market value at the date of death. Inside basis refers to the corporation's own basis in its assets (equipment, buildings, inventory, etc). These do NOT get stepped up when an owner dies - the corporation maintains its original basis in these assets regardless of ownership changes. This distinction is crucial because if the S-Corp later sells assets with low inside basis, the gain flows through to shareholders regardless of their outside basis. Many people mistakenly believe the step-up applies to everything, but it doesn't. Only the shares themselves get the step-up, not the underlying assets of the business.

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Anyone dealing with QSSTs also needs to make sure the trust actually qualifies as a QSST in the first place! The requirements are super strict - only one income beneficiary, all income must be distributed at least annually, etc. If the trust fails the QSST requirements, the S election could be terminated which is a complete disaster tax-wise.

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Yup, I learned this the hard way. Turns out our family trust didn't meet QSST requirements because it allowed for multiple beneficiaries in certain scenarios. Ended up having to do a last-minute restructuring to fix it before it blew up our S-Corp status. Get a second opinion on your trust docs!

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This is such a complex area and I'm glad you're getting good advice here! One thing I'd add is that you should also consider the timing of any decisions about your S-Corp shares. Since you mentioned your grandfather recently passed, you're likely still within the estate administration period. If you're thinking about selling your shares, keep in mind that even with the stepped-up basis, you'll want to coordinate with the estate's executor and make sure all the proper elections and filings are completed first. The QSST election itself has strict timing requirements (typically within 2 months and 15 days after the transfer), and if that's missed, you could lose the S-Corp tax benefits entirely. Also, don't forget about state tax implications! Some states don't follow federal step-up rules exactly, so your state tax situation might be different from your federal situation. Given the size of your inheritance (18% of $3.7M), the state tax differences could be significant depending on where you live. Definitely get that professional valuation done ASAP - it's not just helpful for calculating your basis, it's also required for the estate tax return if the estate is large enough. The IRS can challenge valuations years later, so having a solid, defensible valuation from a qualified appraiser is crucial.

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CyberSiren

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This is really helpful advice about timing! I'm dealing with a similar inherited S-Corp situation and had no idea about the 2 months and 15 days deadline for QSST elections. That seems incredibly short given how complex these situations can be. What happens if you miss that deadline? Is there any way to fix it or are you just stuck with the tax consequences? Also, when you mention coordinating with the estate executor - what specific things should we be asking them about or making sure they handle properly?

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Michael Green

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Great question about the QSST election deadline! If you miss the 2 months and 15 days deadline, the consequences can be severe - the S-Corp election typically terminates, meaning the corporation gets taxed as a regular C-Corp going forward. However, the IRS does have a relief procedure under Rev. Proc. 2013-30 that allows late QSST elections in certain circumstances, but you need to show reasonable cause for the delay. Regarding coordination with the estate executor, here are the key things to discuss: 1) Make sure they're aware of the QSST election deadline and coordinate timing, 2) Confirm they're getting a qualified business appraisal for the S-Corp shares (needed for both estate tax and your step-up basis), 3) Verify that all required estate tax elections are being made consistently with your tax planning, and 4) Get copies of all estate documents that affect the S-Corp shares since you'll need these for your own tax filings. The executor should also be coordinating with the S-Corp's tax preparer to make sure the company's tax returns properly reflect the ownership change. Don't assume everyone is talking to each other - in my experience, communication gaps between estate attorneys, CPAs, and business advisors are unfortunately common and can create expensive problems later.

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Yara Nassar

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I've been following this discussion and there's one more critical piece that hasn't been mentioned yet - make sure you understand how the K-1 distributions will work going forward with your inherited QSST shares. As a QSST beneficiary, you'll receive K-1s from the S-Corp showing your share of income, but the trust might not distribute enough cash to cover the taxes on that income (called "phantom income"). This is especially important with an 18% stake in a $3.7M company - the pass-through income could be substantial. You'll want to work with the other shareholders and management to establish a distribution policy that provides enough cash to cover tax obligations. Many S-Corps have agreements requiring minimum distributions to cover taxes, but if your grandfather's estate didn't negotiate this, you could be stuck paying taxes on income you never received in cash. Also, since you mentioned this is a family business, consider whether there are buy-sell agreements or other restrictions on your shares. Sometimes these agreements can affect both the valuation for step-up purposes and your future ability to sell. The stepped-up basis is only valuable if you can actually realize it through a sale or other disposition. Given the complexity and the dollar amounts involved, I'd strongly recommend getting a tax attorney who specializes in S-Corps and estate planning involved, not just a regular CPA. This situation has too many moving pieces to handle without specialized expertise.

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Mei Zhang

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This is such an important point about phantom income that I wish more people understood! I inherited a partnership interest a few years ago (different structure but similar tax issues) and got blindsided by a huge K-1 with almost no cash distribution. Had to scramble to pay taxes on income I never actually received. @e702dc8202f6 you're absolutely right about negotiating distribution policies upfront. In my case, the other partners weren't family and had no interest in helping with my tax burden. Ended up having to take out a loan to pay the taxes, which was a nightmare. One question - how do you typically approach the other shareholders about establishing minimum tax distributions when you're the new person coming in? I imagine it can be awkward, especially in a family business where the existing owners might not want to change their cash flow strategy. Do you have any tips for those conversations?

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Keisha Brown

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@88ba399ac1bb Great question about navigating those conversations! I've found it helps to frame the discussion around protecting the S-Corp election and maintaining good tax compliance rather than making it about your personal cash flow needs. Here's what I'd recommend: First, come prepared with research showing how other similar S-Corps handle tax distributions - this shows you're being reasonable, not demanding. Second, emphasize that adequate distributions protect ALL shareholders by ensuring everyone can meet their tax obligations and maintain the S-election. Third, consider proposing a graduated approach - maybe start with distributions covering just the tax liability at the highest marginal rate, rather than asking for full cash flow distributions. In family businesses especially, positioning it as "ensuring the business stays compliant and family members aren't financially stressed by the tax burden" tends to work better than "I need cash." You might also suggest having the company's CPA or attorney explain the risks of inadequate distributions to the group - sometimes the message lands better from a neutral third party. If the family is resistant, you could also explore whether there are any existing buy-sell provisions that might give you options, or whether the company would consider a partial redemption of your shares to reduce your ongoing K-1 burden. The key is showing you've thought through multiple solutions, not just presenting the problem.

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Gabriel Freeman

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This thread has been incredibly helpful - there's so much nuance to QSST and S-Corp basis issues that I never would have considered! One additional consideration for @161c4afb254b - since you mentioned your regular tax person seems confused about QSSTs, you might want to start looking for a replacement now rather than waiting until tax season. The ongoing compliance requirements for QSSTs are pretty specific (annual income distributions, proper K-1 reporting, maintaining the trust's qualifying status), and having someone who doesn't understand the rules could create problems down the road. Also, I'd recommend documenting everything related to the inheritance and basis calculations in a dedicated file. Keep copies of the death certificate, the estate's business valuation, all QSST election documents, and any correspondence with the IRS or estate attorney. If you ever get audited, having a complete paper trail will make your life much easier. The IRS has been paying more attention to step-up basis claims lately, especially for business interests, so being able to substantiate your stepped-up basis with proper documentation is crucial. Given that your inheritance is worth over $600K, it's definitely large enough to attract scrutiny if not properly documented. Best of luck navigating this - it's complicated but manageable with the right professional help and documentation!

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Yuki Yamamoto

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@687387293767 This is such great advice about documentation and finding the right professional! I'm actually in a similar situation as the original poster - just inherited S-Corp shares through a trust setup and feeling completely overwhelmed by all the requirements. Your point about keeping everything in a dedicated file really resonates. I've been scattered with documents between my attorney, the estate executor, and my current CPA, and I'm realizing I don't have a complete picture of what I actually have. One question - when you mention the IRS paying more attention to step-up basis claims for business interests, are there specific red flags they look for? I want to make sure I'm not inadvertently doing something that triggers extra scrutiny. Also, do you have any suggestions for finding CPAs who actually specialize in S-Corp/trust issues? It seems like a pretty niche area and I'm having trouble finding someone locally who really knows this stuff well. Thanks for sharing your insights - this whole thread has been more helpful than months of trying to figure this out on my own!

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