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Ethan Clark

Need help understanding itemized deduction recoveries after filing status change

I'm helping my cousin with her tax situation and we're stuck on this itemized deduction recovery issue. She filed as Married Filing Jointly in 2022 but is now filing as Single for 2023. Last year they itemized because of substantial mortgage interest, but this year she's renting and plans to take the standard deduction. The complication is she received a state tax refund (1099-G) for about $3,600. Normally, I understand that when someone itemized previously, this state refund might not be taxable if the SALT deduction (~$24k in her case) was over the $10k SALT limit. The difference ($14k) is greater than her refund, which would make it non-taxable. But since her filing status changed, I believe we need to follow the guidelines in Publication 525 under the "Itemized Deduction Recoveries" section, specifically exception #9 regarding filing status changes. When I worked through Worksheet 2a (which feeds into Worksheet 2, lines 1a and 1b), it seems the same principle applies - if the nondeductible portion of SALT exceeds the state tax refund, then none of the refund is taxable. Am I missing something here? I never calculated an actual "recovery amount" and want to make sure I'm handling this correctly before finalizing her return.

StarStrider

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You're on the right track! When dealing with itemized deduction recoveries with a filing status change, it does get tricky, but you've identified the correct approach. What you're describing is exactly right - if the nondeductible portion of SALT (the amount over the $10k cap) exceeds the state tax refund, then none of the refund becomes taxable income in the current year. The logic is that you didn't receive a tax benefit for that portion of your state taxes, so the refund of those taxes isn't taxable. Publication 525 requires the special worksheets precisely because of the filing status change, but the underlying principle remains the same. The worksheets essentially recalculate what portion (if any) of the state tax deduction actually benefited your cousin in the prior year given the status change. If Worksheet 2a is telling you to STOP and that none of the refund is taxable, then that's your answer. The worksheet is designed to walk you through all the necessary calculations accounting for the filing status change.

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Yuki Sato

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Thanks for this explanation! I have a similar situation but slightly different. I filed MFJ in 2022 and MFS in 2023, received a state refund of $1,200, and my SALT was capped at $10k but I paid about $13k. Does this mean my refund isn't taxable either? The Publication 525 worksheets confuse me so much!

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StarStrider

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Yes, your situation follows the same principle. Since your SALT deduction was limited (you paid $13k but could only deduct $10k), the $3k difference is greater than your $1,200 refund - meaning you didn't get a tax benefit from that portion of your state taxes. Therefore, your state tax refund wouldn't be taxable. Publication 525 worksheets are definitely confusing, but they're designed to calculate this exact situation. Just work through Worksheet 2a carefully, and if it tells you to stop because none of your refund is taxable, you can trust that result.

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Carmen Ruiz

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How does that work with complicated situations? I'm divorced now and my ex and I itemized jointly last year, but now I'm filing single with a state refund. Does it handle split returns from previous years?

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That sounds helpful but I'm always suspicious of tax tools. How accurate is it with these recovery calculations? I've had bad experiences with other tax software completely missing these kinds of special situations.

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Carmen Ruiz

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The tool handles filing status changes really well - that's actually one of the main things it checks for. It looks at your previous joint return and helps allocate the appropriate portions to your current single return for recovery calculations. It even flags when you need special handling due to divorce situations. As for accuracy, I was skeptical too! What convinced me was that it actually showed its calculation method step-by-step, citing the specific IRS publications and worksheets. It's not just giving you an answer - it's showing you why that answer is correct according to tax law. In my case, it even identified a mistake my regular tax software made regarding the recovery calculations.

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Mei Wong

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How does this actually work? I've tried calling the IRS dozens of times about my itemized deduction questions and always end up in hold hell. Are you saying this somehow gets you through the phone queue faster?

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QuantumQuasar

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QuantumQuasar

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Liam McGuire

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One thing to be careful about with the itemized deduction recovery rules - if you're switching from MFJ to Single, make sure you're only looking at YOUR portion of the state taxes paid/refunded from the joint return. In my case, my ex-wife and I paid about $16k in state taxes on our joint return (over the $10k SALT cap), but my portion was only about $6k. When I got my separate state refund of $2k, I initially thought none would be taxable because of the SALT cap. My accountant pointed out that I needed to look at MY portion of the taxes, not our combined amount.

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Ethan Clark

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That's a really important point I hadn't considered! Since I'm helping my cousin with her return, I need to figure out what portion of their joint SALT deduction was actually hers. Do you know if there's a specific way to calculate this split? Should I just divide everything 50/50 or should it be proportional to their respective incomes?

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Liam McGuire

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There isn't a single required method for splitting the previous joint deductions. The most defensible approaches are either proportional to income (if one spouse earned significantly more) or based on who actually paid which taxes (if you can document that). In most cases, a 50/50 split is acceptable if both spouses contributed relatively equally. However, if one spouse paid all the property taxes while the other paid state income taxes, you might want to trace who paid what. The key is to be reasonable and consistent with how you allocate the deductions and the subsequent refund.

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Amara Eze

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I had almost this exact situation last year. Make sure you're also checking if your cousin had other Schedule A deductions that might impact the recovery calculation! In my case, I focused so much on the SALT cap that I forgot to consider how my charitable contributions and medical expenses affected the overall calculation on Worksheet 2. This actually made a portion of my state refund taxable even though I thought the SALT cap would protect me.

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This is a good point! Could you explain a bit more about how those other deductions affected your calculation? I'm trying to understand this better for my own situation.

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You're absolutely right to be careful with this calculation! I went through a similar situation last year when I switched from MFJ to Single after my divorce. The key insight you've identified is correct - if the nondeductible portion of your SALT (the amount over $10k) exceeds your state tax refund, then none of the refund is taxable. This is because you didn't receive a tax benefit for that portion of your state taxes in the prior year. However, I'd recommend double-checking a few things: 1. Make sure you're only considering your cousin's portion of the joint SALT deduction, not the full amount from the MFJ return 2. Verify that all other itemized deductions from the prior year are properly accounted for in the worksheet calculations 3. Consider whether any of the state taxes that generated the refund were actually deductible under the prior year's circumstances The Publication 525 worksheets are designed exactly for these filing status change situations. If Worksheet 2a is indicating that none of the refund is taxable, that's likely correct. But given the complexity and potential for errors, you might want to have a tax professional review the calculation before filing, especially since the stakes are relatively high with a $3,600 refund.

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NeonNinja

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This is really helpful advice! I'm new to dealing with these itemized deduction recovery situations and the filing status change aspect makes it even more confusing. One question - when you mention considering "your cousin's portion of the joint SALT deduction," is there a standard way to determine this? Should we look at who actually paid which taxes (property vs state income tax) or just split everything proportionally based on their incomes from the joint return? Also, I'm curious about your point regarding whether the state taxes were actually deductible under the prior year's circumstances. Could you elaborate on what situations might make previously paid state taxes non-deductible? I want to make sure I'm not missing anything obvious here. Thanks for sharing your experience with this - it's reassuring to know others have navigated similar situations successfully!

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