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Multi-member to Single-member LLC Conversion - Partnership to SMLLC Tax Filing Questions

I'm working with a client who's in an unusual LLC partnership. The situation is that the business partner didn't actually contribute any capital - my client fronted all the money as an informal loan. The partner gets 0% profit/loss allocation and has no real financial stake in the business. They have an Airbnb property under this LLC. The partner now wants to exit, which would turn this into a single-member LLC. I'm trying to figure out the best approach and have a few questions: 1) If we file Form 8832 effective 10/1/24 for the change, would the final 1065 be due by 1/15/25 (2.5 months after termination month)? 2) I'm considering making the 8832 effective 12/31/24 instead to avoid dealing with short-year returns. Since the partner gets 0% allocation anyway, it shouldn't change the 2024 distributions. This would keep the standard 3/15/25 filing deadline. Am I missing anything with this approach? 3) The partners are friendly and thinking about drafting an agreement stating the second partner never contributed capital from the beginning, so my client has always owned 100%. Any potential issues with this strategy? Appreciate any thoughts from those who've handled similar LLC conversions!

Dmitry Petrov

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Taking these one by one to help you navigate this interesting situation: For your first question, yes, if you file Form 8832 effective 10/1/24, the final 1065 would generally be due 2.5 months after the termination date - so 1/15/25 would be your deadline. This would cover January through September of 2024. Your idea about making the 8832 effective 12/31/24 is actually quite pragmatic. Since the partner receives 0% of profit/loss allocation, there wouldn't be any tax impact difference between the approaches. Using the year-end date would simplify your filing by avoiding a short year return, while maintaining the standard 3/15/25 deadline. Nothing wrong with choosing the more administratively convenient option here. Regarding the agreement stating your client always owned 100% - I'd be careful here. Even if the partner had 0% profit/loss allocation, they were still legally a member of the LLC. Retroactively changing ownership history could create issues if the LLC faced any legal challenges. Instead, I'd suggest documenting a formal transfer of the partner's membership interest (even if valued at $0) to your client effective on the conversion date.

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Ava Williams

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But wouldn't making the 8832 effective 12/31/24 mean they'd still need to file a partnership return for the full year? Seems like extra work if the partner is leaving earlier.

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Dmitry Petrov

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Yes, they would still need to file a full-year partnership return for 2024 if using the 12/31/24 effective date. But that's actually simpler than filing both a short-year partnership return (covering January-September) plus setting up new SMLLC tax reporting for October-December. The single full-year partnership return streamlines the process, especially since the profit/loss allocations don't change regardless of when the conversion officially happens. Sometimes doing one "normal" return is much easier than dealing with two partial-year filings with different requirements.

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One thing that hasn't been mentioned about your situation - you mentioned the "loan" to the partner was informal with no documentation. This could potentially create issues if audited, as the IRS might view this arrangement as suspicious. When you convert to SMLLC, consider creating proper documentation of this loan retroactively (with current dating and acknowledgment it's documenting a previous verbal agreement). Also, make sure you file the appropriate state paperwork for the member withdrawal. Form 8832 handles the federal tax classification change, but your state will likely require additional documentation to properly record the change in ownership.

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StormChaser

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Thanks for pointing this out. I was definitely planning to create some documentation for the loan, but I wasn't sure about the retroactive dating. Would you recommend just creating a new loan document with current dating that references the prior verbal agreement?

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I would absolutely avoid backdating any documents as that could create serious issues if discovered. Instead, create a new loan document with current dating that clearly states it's formalizing a previous verbal agreement. Include key details like when the original loan was made, the amount, any repayment terms discussed, and have both parties sign it. It's also smart to include language acknowledging that this document is "memorializing the terms of a pre-existing verbal agreement" rather than creating a new arrangement. This approach maintains transparency while properly documenting the financial relationship for your records going forward.

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Amina Toure

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Make sure you check the specific LLC laws in your state! I had a multi to single-member conversion last year and my state (NY) had additional requirements beyond the federal 8832 filing.

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Oliver Weber

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This is super important. Georgia required me to file articles of amendment showing the change in members, plus the operating agreement had to be updated. The state filing fee was $80 but worth it to have everything properly documented.

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Nia Harris

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Great question about LLC conversions! I've handled several similar situations and wanted to add a few practical considerations: Regarding your timing question - the 12/31/24 effective date approach is definitely the cleaner route administratively. You're right that it avoids the complexity of short-year returns, and since your partner has 0% allocation anyway, there's no meaningful tax difference between the dates. One thing to watch out for: make sure your operating agreement doesn't have any specific termination procedures that need to be followed when a member exits. Some agreements require formal notice periods or buyout procedures, even for members with minimal stakes. Also, consider having the exiting partner sign a release agreement as part of the conversion process. Even though they have no financial stake, this protects against future claims and provides clean documentation for your records. For the Airbnb property specifically - verify that the property deed and any related financing documents won't need updates when the LLC converts to single-member. Some lenders have clauses about ownership changes that could be triggered. The conversion process itself is usually straightforward, but the documentation cleanup often takes longer than expected. Start gathering all your LLC formation documents, operating agreements, and any amendments now so you're ready when you file the 8832.

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This is really helpful advice, especially about checking the operating agreement for termination procedures! I hadn't thought about potential lender notification requirements for the Airbnb property either. One question - when you mention having the exiting partner sign a release agreement, what specific language should that include? I want to make sure we cover all the bases since this partner technically had membership rights even without financial stake. Also, do you know if there are any specific IRS forms or schedules that need to be filed alongside the 8832 for this type of conversion, or is the 8832 sufficient on its own?

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For the release agreement, you'll want to include language where the exiting partner waives any claims to LLC assets, profits, distributions, or management rights. Key provisions should cover: (1) acknowledgment they're voluntarily withdrawing membership, (2) confirmation they have no ownership interest in LLC assets including the Airbnb property, (3) release of any future claims against the LLC or remaining member, and (4) agreement not to compete or interfere with LLC business operations. Regarding IRS forms, the Form 8832 is typically sufficient for the entity classification change. However, you may also want to file Form 8832 with "SUPERCEDING ELECTION" checked if there was any prior entity election. The final partnership return (Form 1065) should indicate it's a final return, and then the SMLLC income gets reported on the owner's Schedule C or E depending on the activity type. One additional tip - consider timing the conversion after any major Airbnb bookings or seasonal peaks to avoid complications with guest contracts or platform agreements during the transition period.

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Alice Pierce

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I've been through a similar conversion process and wanted to share some additional insights based on my experience: For your Form 8832 timing question, I'd actually lean toward the 12/31/24 effective date as well. The administrative simplicity of avoiding short-year returns usually outweighs any minor benefits of an earlier conversion date, especially when the partner has 0% allocation anyway. One thing I learned the hard way - make sure to update your EIN situation properly. When you convert to SMLLC, you'll generally keep the same EIN, but some banks and vendors get confused about the entity status change. I recommend sending updated W-9s to all your business contacts after the conversion to avoid 1099 reporting issues. Regarding the retroactive ownership agreement in point #3 - I'd strongly advise against this approach. Instead, consider having the partner execute a formal assignment of their membership interest (even if valued at $0) to your client with current dating. This maintains the integrity of your historical records while achieving the same practical result. Also, don't forget about your state's annual report requirements. Some states require you to file an amendment or updated report when membership changes, even for conversions like this. The penalties for missing these filings can be surprisingly steep. Have you considered whether any business licenses or permits might need updating after the conversion? Some licensing authorities treat SMLLC differently than partnerships, especially for rental properties.

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Great point about the EIN and W-9 updates! I hadn't considered the potential 1099 reporting complications that could arise from the entity status change. That's definitely something I'll need to stay on top of. Your suggestion about the formal assignment of membership interest instead of a retroactive agreement makes a lot of sense from a documentation integrity standpoint. It achieves the same end result while maintaining a clear paper trail that won't raise red flags. The licensing question is particularly relevant since this involves an Airbnb property. I'll need to check with the local jurisdiction to see if there are any short-term rental licensing requirements that might be affected by the LLC conversion. Some cities have gotten pretty strict about these permits lately. One follow-up question - when you updated your W-9s with vendors and banks, did you encounter any resistance or requests for additional documentation to verify the entity change? I'm trying to anticipate any potential roadblocks in that process.

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