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Zainab Ahmed

Form 8832 Entity Classification Election for LLC Tax Status Changes - Specific Scenarios

So I've got a bit of a messy situation with a couple LLCs and Form 8832 that I'm hoping someone can help me sort out. First scenario: I have an LLC that originally got an EIN as a partnership (filed SS4 that way), but in reality, all the activity ($8K loss) is going to be reported by just one member since none of the other partners actually contributed anything to their basis. All the partners have agreed to give up their membership to this single member. The entity is pretty much dead in the water now except for a few minor expenses in 2024. This LLC was formed in 2023, and we haven't filed any returns yet, but we did request an automatic extension for Form 1065. I'm wondering - is it too late to file Form 8832 and change the tax classification to a disregarded entity for 2023? And then could we just report everything on that one member's Schedule C for 2023? I've also got a second scenario that's basically the opposite. We have an entity that started as a single-member LLC, but then sold interests to partners during the year. Should we file Form 8832 to change the tax status to a partnership for 2023 and file a partnership return? Any guidance would be super appreciated!

This is a great question about entity classification elections. For your first scenario with the LLC that was formed as a partnership but will effectively operate as a single-member LLC: You can still file Form 8832 to elect disregarded entity status for 2023, but there are timing rules. Form 8832 allows you to specify an effective date up to 75 days prior to the filing date or up to 12 months after the filing date. Since 2023 has passed, you'd need to file ASAP and specify the earliest possible effective date (75 days before filing). However, this likely won't cover the entire 2023 tax year. The alternative approach might be to file a final partnership return (Form 1065) showing the change in ownership structure, with most activity flowing to the remaining member. Then you can file Form 8832 for future years. For your second scenario (single-member to partnership): When an LLC with a single member adds additional members, it automatically converts to partnership tax treatment without needing to file Form 8832. The tax classification changes by operation of law on the date the second member is added.

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Zainab Ahmed

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Thanks for the response! For the first scenario, would I have to file a short-year partnership return and then a Schedule C for the remainder of the year? That seems really complicated. Is there any way to make the Form 8832 effective for the entire 2023 year since no returns have been filed yet? Also, for the second scenario - that's good to know! So we would just file a partnership return for 2023 without any Form 8832 filing needed? Would the return cover the entire year or just from when the new members joined?

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Yes, for the first scenario, you would likely need to file a short-year partnership return up until the effective date of the Form 8832 election, then the remaining member would report the rest of the year's activity on Schedule C. Unfortunately, the 75-day retroactive limitation is pretty strict, and the IRS rarely grants relief beyond that period without a private letter ruling (which is expensive and time-consuming). For the second scenario, you wouldn't need Form 8832, but you would still have a split year. File Schedule C for the single-member period, then a partnership return from the date the additional members joined through the end of the year. The partnership return would only cover from when the new members joined, not the entire year.

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Yara Khoury

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CosmicCowboy

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Just to add something important about Form 8832 that nobody's mentioned yet - if your LLC started as a partnership (like your first scenario), when you file Form 8832 to become a disregarded entity, it's treated as though the partnership liquidated and distributed all assets to the partners, who then contributed them to the new disregarded entity. This could potentially trigger gain recognition if the partnership has liabilities that exceed basis. Based on the $8K loss you mentioned, this probably isn't an issue for you, but it's something to consider.

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Zainab Ahmed

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That's actually really helpful - I hadn't considered the deemed liquidation aspect. The LLC doesn't have any significant liabilities (just a few hundred in credit card charges), so I'm guessing this wouldn't create any gain issues. But would this deemed liquidation still need to be reported somewhere on the tax forms even if there's no taxable event?

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CosmicCowboy

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Even though there's no taxable gain in your case, you'd still report the deemed liquidation on the final Form 1065. You'd show the distribution of assets to the partners on Schedule K-1, and the remaining partner would effectively have a carryover basis in the assets now held in the disregarded entity. The partnership would check the "final return" box on the 1065, and you'd include a statement explaining the conversion to a disregarded entity. This creates a clean paper trail for the IRS to understand why no further partnership returns will be filed.

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Has anyone dealt with state tax implications of changing LLC classification using Form 8832? I did something similar last year (partnership to disregarded entity) and got hit with unexpected state filing requirements. My state required a separate entity reclassification form and charged a fee for the "privilege" of changing entity type.

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Javier Cruz

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Yes! This is super important and often overlooked. I'm in California, and when we filed Form 8832 to change from partnership to disregarded entity, we had to file Form FTB 3522 and pay a $800 fee even though federally it was a simple election. Plus, California required a separate limited liability company fee based on total income.

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Thanks for sharing that! I'm in New York and faced similar issues. Beyond the filing fee, we also had to deal with the New York State publication requirement all over again after the conversion. It was like the state treated it as a brand new entity formation. The most annoying part was that the state systems didn't talk to each other, so even after filing all the conversion documents, we kept getting notices about missing partnership returns. Took about 6 months to fully sort out.

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Emma Thompson

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One thing to consider with your second scenario (single member LLC selling interests to become a partnership): You might not need Form 8832, but you definitely need to make sure your operating agreement is updated to reflect the new ownership structure and management provisions. From a tax perspective, it automatically becomes a partnership when new members join, but legally you need documentation. Also, don't forget to issue revised K-1s to show the ownership percentages and capital contributions of each partner. This will be important for establishing their initial capital accounts and basis in the partnership.

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Serene Snow

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Great question about LLC classification elections! I've dealt with similar situations and wanted to add a few practical considerations. For your first scenario, while Connor's advice about the 75-day limitation is correct, there's actually another option worth considering. Since you haven't filed any returns yet and have an extension in place, you might want to explore whether your situation qualifies for "late election relief" under Rev. Proc. 2009-41. This allows retroactive elections up to 3 years and 75 days from the desired effective date if you can show reasonable cause. Given that all partners are voluntarily relinquishing their interests and you're dealing with a loss situation, you might have a strong reasonable cause argument. The key is including a detailed explanation with Form 8832 about why the election is late and why it's reasonable under the circumstances. One more thing to watch out for: if you go the deemed liquidation route that CosmicCowboy mentioned, make sure to properly handle any Section 754 election considerations if there are any inside/outside basis differences, though with an $8K loss this probably isn't relevant. For your second scenario, Emma's point about updating the operating agreement is crucial - the IRS will look at the substance of the arrangement, not just the form, so proper documentation is essential.

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This is really helpful advice about the late election relief option! I hadn't heard of Rev. Proc. 2009-41 before. For the reasonable cause statement, what kind of specific language or documentation would strengthen the case? Also, you mentioned Section 754 elections - even though my situation involves a loss, would there be any scenarios where this could still be relevant? I want to make sure I'm not missing anything that could come back to bite me later. The point about substance over form for the second scenario is well taken. Beyond updating the operating agreement, are there any other documentation requirements the IRS typically looks for to validate the partnership classification?

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