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Katherine Shultz

MPF withdrawal tax implications after relocating from Hong Kong to USA

I just moved from Hong Kong to the US in December 2023 and applied for my MPF (Mandatory Provident Fund) withdrawal before leaving. My situation got a bit complicated because my former employer made their final contribution in late December, but I didn't actually receive the MPF funds until January 2024 when they were transferred directly to my US bank account. I'm trying to figure out how the IRS will view this money. Does the entire withdrawn MPF amount count as capital gains, regular income, or early withdrawal from retirement funds for US tax purposes? Since it's technically retirement money, I'm wondering if I could possibly use the whole MPF withdrawal amount to fund a Roth IRA as some kind of retirement plan transfer? Any advice from people who've dealt with foreign retirement accounts when moving to the US would be super helpful. I'm completely new to the US tax system and don't want to make a mistake that'll cause problems later.

Marcus Marsh

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The MPF withdrawal will most likely be treated as ordinary income in the year you received it (2024), not as capital gains. Since the MPF isn't recognized as a qualified retirement plan under US tax law, you generally can't do a direct rollover into a Roth IRA without first having it counted as income. Hong Kong and the US don't have a tax treaty that would allow for special treatment of MPF withdrawals, so the IRS typically treats these funds as foreign pension distributions, making them fully taxable when received. The fact that you received it in your US bank account in January 2024 means it will be part of your 2024 tax return. You could still contribute to a Roth IRA separately, but it would be limited to the standard annual contribution limits ($7,000 in 2024 if you're under 50), and you'd need to have earned income in the US to qualify for making those contributions.

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Thanks for this information! I have a similar situation but with a Singapore CPF instead of Hong Kong MPF. Do you know if the treatment would be the same? Also, would it make a difference if I had the funds sent to my foreign bank account first instead of directly to my US account?

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Marcus Marsh

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The Singapore CPF would generally be treated similarly since Singapore also doesn't have a comprehensive tax treaty with the US covering retirement accounts. The IRS looks at the characteristics of the foreign retirement plan rather than just its name or country of origin. Where you receive the funds (foreign vs. US bank account) doesn't change the tax treatment. What matters is your tax residency status when you receive the distribution. As a US resident/taxpayer, you're required to report worldwide income regardless of where it's paid. The only potential difference would be timing if there were significant delays in transferring from one account to another across calendar years.

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Cedric Chung

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Talia Klein

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How long did it take them to process everything? I have a similar situation with a UK pension and am getting close to the filing deadline.

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Cedric Chung

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PaulineW

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Chris Elmeda

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I tried calling the IRS international line 5 times last month and never got through. Hard to believe any service could actually get you to a human there. Did they give you any documentation of what the IRS told you, or is it just verbal advice?

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PaulineW

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Chris Elmeda

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Jean Claude

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Something else to consider with your MPF withdrawal - check if any portion of it was from *your* contributions vs. employer contributions. If you made after-tax contributions to your MPF (which is common), that portion could potentially be received tax-free since you've already paid tax on it. Only the employer contributions and any earnings would be fully taxable. You'll need documentation showing the breakdown between your contributions, employer contributions, and earnings. MPF providers should be able to provide this statement if you request it specifically.

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That's really helpful, I hadn't thought about the distinction between my contributions and my employer's! Do you know what form I would use to report this? Would I still need to report the entire distribution somewhere on my tax return even if part of it isn't taxable?

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Jean Claude

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You would report the full distribution on Form 1040, but you'd also need to file Form 8606 to establish the non-taxable portion. On your 1040, you'd include the total distribution but then subtract the non-taxable amount on the appropriate line. You should definitely keep detailed records showing your basis (the after-tax contributions you made). Your MPF statement should break down how much came from your mandatory contributions versus employer portions. Just be aware that any growth/earnings on even your own contributions would still be taxable in the US.

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Charity Cohan

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Has anyone successfully argued that an MPF should be treated as equivalent to a 401k? I've heard some tax preparers claim you can do a 60-day rollover from foreign pensions to IRAs if you time it right.

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Josef Tearle

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That's risky. The IRS doesn't automatically recognize foreign retirement accounts as "qualified plans" eligible for rollovers. You'd need a determination letter from the IRS specifically recognizing your MPF as equivalent to a US qualified plan, which is rare without a specific tax treaty provision (which Hong Kong doesn't have with the US). Most tax professionals advise against attempting this because if the IRS rejects your position, you could face taxes, penalties, and interest. Plus potential excess contribution penalties if you exceeded IRA limits.

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I went through a very similar situation with my MPF withdrawal in 2022 when I moved from Hong Kong to the US. Based on my experience and what my tax advisor told me, here are a few key points: The timing of when you received the funds (January 2024) is what matters for tax purposes, not when you applied or when your employer made their final contribution. So this will be reported on your 2024 tax return. One thing I wish I had known earlier - make sure you get a detailed breakdown from your MPF provider showing your personal contributions vs. employer contributions vs. investment gains. The portion that came from your own mandatory contributions (money that was already taxed in Hong Kong) might be eligible for some relief, though the rules are complex. Also, don't forget about the Foreign Bank Account Report (FBAR) requirements if your Hong Kong accounts exceeded $10,000 at any point during the year. The MPF account itself might need to be reported even if it's now closed. I'd strongly recommend getting professional help from someone who specializes in US expat taxes, especially for your first year filing as a US resident. The interaction between Hong Kong taxes you may have paid and US tax obligations can get tricky.

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Lara Woods

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This is really comprehensive advice, thank you! I'm definitely going to request that detailed breakdown from my MPF provider. One question - when you mention the portion from personal contributions might be eligible for relief, do you mean it could be completely tax-free or just subject to different treatment? I'm trying to understand if it's worth the effort to get all that documentation or if the savings would be minimal. Also, regarding the FBAR reporting - does this apply even if the MPF account was closed before I became a US tax resident? I'm a bit confused about the timing requirements there.

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For the personal contributions portion, it typically means those amounts can be received tax-free since you already paid Hong Kong taxes on that income before it went into your MPF. However, any investment growth on those contributions would still be taxable in the US. The potential tax savings really depend on how much you personally contributed over the years - if it was a significant amount, the documentation effort could save you hundreds or even thousands in US taxes. Regarding FBAR, the key is whether you had signature authority or financial interest in the account during any part of the calendar year as a US person (citizen, resident, etc.). If you became a US tax resident partway through 2023 but still had the MPF account open during that period, you'd likely need to report it. The timing of when you closed it matters less than whether you had access to it while being considered a US person for tax purposes. Given the complexity here, this is definitely something to verify with a tax professional who can look at your specific timeline.

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Nia Jackson

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One important thing to keep in mind is the timing of your tax residency status change. Since you moved to the US in December 2023, you'll want to confirm whether you were considered a US tax resident for any part of 2023 (which could affect reporting requirements for that year) versus starting fresh as a US resident in 2024 when you actually received the MPF funds. The substantial presence test or green card test will determine your exact tax residency start date. If you were already a US tax resident in December 2023 when your employer made that final contribution, it could potentially affect how you report things, even though you didn't receive the money until January 2024. Also, since Hong Kong doesn't tax MPF withdrawals when you permanently leave, you won't be able to claim any foreign tax credits to offset the US tax liability on this distribution. This makes it even more important to properly categorize which portions of your withdrawal might qualify for different tax treatment. I'd definitely echo the advice about getting professional help for your first year - the intersection of changing tax residency, foreign retirement account distributions, and potential FBAR reporting requirements creates a lot of complexity that's worth getting right from the start.

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This is such an important point about the tax residency timing! I'm in a similar boat - moved to the US in late 2023 but didn't receive my foreign pension funds until 2024. I had no idea that the substantial presence test could make me a US tax resident for part of 2023 even though I only lived here for a few weeks that year. Does anyone know if there's a way to calculate this yourself, or do you really need a professional to determine the exact date your US tax residency started? I'm worried I might have missed some reporting requirements for 2023 if I was already considered a resident then.

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