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Rajiv Kumar

Late Form 8606 filing + 1040 line 4b adjustment for $5 Roth conversion income - need to file 1040X?

I'm in a bit of a predicament with some backdoor Roth stuff. I recently realized I need to file several years of Form 8606 to properly track my nondeductible contributions to a traditional IRA (which I later converted to Roth). After getting some amazing help from a couple of tax folks, I finally completed all these forms. Here's the issue: For my 2019 return, I discovered a small additional tax liability. The 1040 line 4b (taxable amount) would change from $1 to $6 because of the conversion. My question is - do I seriously need to go through the hassle of filing a 1040X amendment for just $5 of extra income? Could I just send the IRS a check for $5 or $10 to cover the difference and call it good? I've heard sometimes there's a tolerance level where they don't care about differences under $100 (like if you missed a tiny 1099-INT from a bank account). Also, has anyone ever filed Form 8606 late? I'm worried about that $50 penalty for each late form. Any suggestions for what language I should include in a cover letter to ask them to waive the penalties? I'm hoping they'll be understanding since I'm trying to get everything right. Thanks for any advice!

The good news is you're being proactive about fixing this! For the $5 difference in taxable income, you technically should file an amended return (1040X), but in reality, the tax difference is probably less than $2 depending on your bracket. The IRS generally doesn't pursue amounts this small. For the late 8606 forms, yes, there's a $50 penalty per form, but the IRS often waives it for reasonable cause. In your cover letter, explain that you recently learned about the requirement to file Form 8606 for nondeductible contributions, and you're filing them now to properly track your basis. Emphasize that you're voluntarily correcting the oversight and that no tax was avoided since these were nondeductible contributions. I'd suggest sending in the late 8606 forms with a clear cover letter, then separately filing a 1040X for 2019 with a small payment. Make sure to reference the late 8606 forms in your 1040X explanation section.

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Liam O'Reilly

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If they send in the 8606s separately from the 1040X, won't that confuse things? Also, wouldn't the IRS potentially process the 8606s and charge the $50 penalty before they even see the 1040X? I've heard horror stories about different IRS departments not communicating with each other.

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You make a good point about IRS communication between departments. Let me clarify: it's best to send everything together in one package. Include the late 8606 forms, the 1040X form, and one comprehensive cover letter explaining both issues. This way, whoever processes your paperwork sees the complete picture. Regarding penalties, you're right that sending things separately could trigger automatic penalties before anyone reads your explanation. By packaging everything together with a clear cover letter at the front, you increase the chances that your reasonable cause explanation will be considered before any penalties are assessed.

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Did you end up getting hit with the $50 penalties for each late 8606? I'm in a similar boat with 3 years of missing forms and that would be $150 in penalties which seems ridiculous for a form that doesn't even change my tax liability.

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Ryan Kim

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One aspect nobody's mentioned yet - make sure you're calculating the actual tax impact correctly. If your taxable income is increasing by $5, the tax difference isn't $5 - it's $5 multiplied by your marginal tax rate. So if you were in the 22% bracket, we're talking about $1.10 in additional tax. I filed late 8606 forms for 3 years after messing up my backdoor Roth process, and included a simple cover letter that said: "I recently became aware of the requirement to file Form 8606 to track nondeductible contributions to my traditional IRA. I am submitting these forms now to properly establish basis. As these contributions were nondeductible, no tax advantage was gained by the oversight." No penalties were assessed. The IRS has much bigger issues to worry about than people who are voluntarily correcting their returns for minimal or zero tax impact.

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Rajiv Kumar

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Thanks for pointing out the actual tax difference! I was thinking about the $5 of income, not the actual tax amount which would be even smaller. That makes me feel better about the situation. Did you send your late 8606 forms with an amended return or just on their own with the cover letter? I'm debating both approaches and trying to figure out the easiest way to handle this without triggering unnecessary scrutiny.

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Ryan Kim

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I sent the late 8606 forms on their own with just the cover letter since they didn't actually change my tax liability for those years. The 8606 forms were just establishing basis for future use. In your case, since you do have a small change to your actual tax liability for 2019, I'd probably file an amended return for that specific year along with all the 8606 forms and a comprehensive cover letter explaining both issues. The reality is that the IRS isn't going to launch an audit over a dollar and change, but it's still technically the correct way to handle it. And having everything documented properly will save headaches down the road if you ever need to reference your IRA basis.

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Zoe Walker

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Is no one going to mention that there's a "First Time Abatement" policy that the IRS typically grants for penalties if you have a clean compliance history? I had a similar situation last year and just called and asked for first time penalty abatement for the late 8606 forms, and they granted it immediately. Didn't even need a long explanation letter.

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Elijah Brown

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First Time Abatement is for failure-to-file and failure-to-pay penalties on returns, not specifically for the $50 penalty for late 8606 forms. Those are two different types of penalties. Are you sure that's what you received?

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