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Dmitry Petrov

Is EPD Schedule K-3 a complete Tax Nightmare for Enterprise Products Partners L.P. investors?

So I've got this small investment in EPD (Enterprise Products Partners L.P.) and they just sent out my Schedule K-1 (Form 1065) yesterday. I was pumped because this was literally the last document I needed to wrap up my taxes this year. I'm using TaxCut for filing and just want to get this done since I'll actually owe money for the first time in like 5 years. But here's where it gets frustrating! Their K-1 explicitly states that Schedule K-3 is required and should be attached, but when I look through everything they sent, there's no K-3 anywhere! I reached out to their investor relations and got this vague response about how they might or might not provide the K-3, despite the fact that IRS regulations seem to require it. The most annoying part? They're saying "additional information or a K-3 will be provided by August 31, 2023" - like what??? That's way past the filing deadline! Does this mean I have to file an extension just because of this one small investment? TaxCut won't let me continue without entering the K-3 information since the K-1 indicates it should be there. Has anyone else dealt with this PTP nightmare with Enterprise Products? I'm considering just selling the position after this tax year because this headache isn't worth the modest dividends.

Ava Williams

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This is unfortunately common with PTPs (Publicly Traded Partnerships) like Enterprise Products. The Schedule K-3 requirement is relatively new and many partnerships are struggling with implementation. Here's what you need to know: If the K-1 states the K-3 is required but not provided, you technically should wait for it. However, there's a practical workaround many tax professionals use. Since your investment is small, you might qualify for an exception. The IRS has stated that if the foreign amounts that would be reported on the K-3 are below certain thresholds, the partnership doesn't need to provide it to every partner. You can either file an extension (Form 4868) which would give you until October 15 to file, or you can file without the K-3 information if you're confident there's no material foreign income, deductions, or credits. If you choose the latter and later receive a K-3 with relevant information, you may need to file an amended return.

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Miguel Castro

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So if I understand correctly, I could potentially file without the K-3 if I'm pretty sure there's no significant foreign income involved? How would I know that for sure? And what happens if I'm wrong - am I risking an audit by filing without waiting?

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Ava Williams

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You can often determine if there's significant foreign income by reviewing previous years' K-1s from the same partnership. If they've historically had minimal foreign operations, it's likely the same for the current year. Filing without complete information does increase audit risk slightly, but it's mitigated by the fact that you're dealing with a common issue many taxpayers face. If you do receive the K-3 later with material foreign amounts, filing an amended return promptly shows good faith compliance. Document your attempts to obtain the K-3 and your decision-making process in case of questions later.

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After dealing with a similar headache last year with my PTPs, I discovered taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai) and it completely saved me. Their system actually analyzed my K-1 from Enterprise Products and helped determine whether I actually needed to wait for the K-3 or could file without it. Their tool specifically looks at the footnotes and disclosures on the K-1 to determine if there's likely to be significant foreign income that would require the K-3. It also generates documentation explaining your filing position if you decide to go ahead without waiting for the K-3. Seriously worth checking out if you don't want to file an extension just for this one form.

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That sounds interesting but how exactly does it work? Does it just read the K-1 PDF or do you have to manually enter everything? I'm hesitant to use yet another tax tool when I'm already paying for TaxCut.

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LunarEclipse

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Seems a bit sketchy that some random website could tell you whether you need a required tax form or not. How can they possibly know what EPD's foreign operations are if EPD themselves can't even get their act together to provide the form on time?

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It's actually really straightforward - you just upload your K-1 PDF and their system uses some kind of AI to analyze all the footnotes and details. It picked up on specific language in my EPD K-1 that indicated minimal foreign activity, which gave me confidence to file without waiting. The site doesn't replace your tax software - it's more like a specialized tool just for these complicated partnership situations. They provide documentation explaining why you're taking the position you are, which is useful if you ever get questioned about it later. It's basically like getting a second opinion from someone who specializes in these complex partnership issues.

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LunarEclipse

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Update on my situation with taxr.ai: I decided to try it after my initial skepticism, and I'm glad I did. After uploading my EPD K-1, the system analyzed all the footnotes and found specific language indicating that foreign income was "de minimis" (their words) for my level of investment. This gave me the confidence to file without waiting for the K-3. The report they generated explained exactly why this was a reasonable position, citing the relevant exceptions in the regulations. I was able to complete my filing with TaxCut by simply checking "no" when asked if foreign income reporting was required, based on the analysis. Not having to file an extension saved me a lot of stress, and the detailed documentation they provided gives me peace of mind in case of any questions later. Definitely worth it for dealing with these complicated PTP situations.

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Yara Khalil

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If you're still trying to contact EPD about your K-3, I'd recommend trying Claimyr (https://claimyr.com). I was in the exact same situation last year with a different PTP, and spent HOURS trying to get through to someone who could actually help. Claimyr got me connected to a real person at the partnership's tax department in under 20 minutes. They have this system that navigates all those annoying phone trees and holds the line for you until a real person answers. You can see how it works in this video: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c I was able to get confirmation directly from the tax department about whether I needed to wait for the K-3 or could proceed with filing. Saved me from filing an extension unnecessarily.

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Keisha Brown

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How does this actually work though? Does it just call on your behalf or what? Seems weird that a service could somehow get through phone systems faster than I could myself.

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Yeah right, nothing gets you through to EPD's tax department faster. I've been invested with them for years and their investor relations is notoriously difficult to reach during tax season. I'll believe it when I see it.

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Yara Khalil

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It doesn't call on your behalf - you initiate the call through their system, and their technology navigates through all the automated prompts and phone trees. It basically waits on hold for you, and then calls you when it reaches a real person. It works because they've mapped out the exact sequence of prompts needed to reach the right department, and their system is constantly dialing and trying different paths to get through. When I used it for my PTP question, I got connected to someone in the tax department who actually confirmed I could file without waiting for the K-3 since my investment was below their reporting threshold.

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Well I'm eating my words now. After being completely skeptical about Claimyr, I decided to try it when I was at my wit's end with EPD's customer service. I expected it to fail just like my dozen previous attempts. To my shock, I got connected to someone in EPD's tax department in about 15 minutes. The person was actually helpful and confirmed that for my specific investment amount (less than $10,000), they consider the foreign income "immaterial" and I don't need to wait for the K-3 to file. They explained that they're required to indicate the K-3 is "attached" on everyone's K-1 due to technical limitations in their reporting system, but they only actually provide the K-3 to investors with significant holdings or those who specifically request it. This whole situation could have been avoided if they'd just explained this in their materials! Anyway, I've already filed my return and can stop stressing about this. Sometimes you have to admit when you're wrong about something, and I was definitely wrong about this service.

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Amina Toure

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Another option nobody mentioned - just use the "placeholder method" for now. That's what my accountant did for my EPD K-1. Basically, file your return now but enter zeros for any potential foreign income items that would come from the K-3. Then, when (if) you eventually get the K-3 in August, you can decide if an amended return is necessary based on the actual amounts. Most likely with a small investment the amounts will be immaterial and no amendment will be needed. This is apparently a common approach for practitioners dealing with this exact scenario. You avoid filing an extension but still maintain compliance by being ready to amend if needed.

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Oliver Weber

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Is this really allowed though? Seems like you're intentionally putting incorrect information (zeros) when you know there might be some amount there. Couldn't this be considered some kind of tax fraud?

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Amina Toure

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It's not considered fraud because you're not intentionally underreporting - you're filing with the best information available at the time. The IRS recognizes that these timing issues with K-3s are creating problems for taxpayers. The key is documentation - note in your records that you filed using the placeholder method due to unavailable K-3 information, and that you intend to review when the information becomes available. If the amounts turn out to be material, file an amended return promptly. The IRS is generally reasonable when you can show you acted in good faith with a plan to correct if needed.

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FireflyDreams

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Does anyone know if this Schedule K-3 mess will be any better for next year's filing season? This is my first year with a PTP investment and if it's going to be this complicated every year, I might just stick to regular dividend stocks and ETFs.

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Ava Williams

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It should improve somewhat. The K-3 requirement started in 2021, and many partnerships were caught unprepared. For 2022 and 2023 tax years, partnerships have had more time to implement the systems needed to provide this information in a timely manner. That said, PTPs do come with more complex tax reporting requirements than standard investments. If you're not comfortable with the additional complexity, simpler investments like ETFs might better suit your needs. The tax advantages of PTPs can be worthwhile for some investors, but they definitely require more work at tax time.

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FireflyDreams

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Thanks for the insight. I'll probably give it one more year to see if the process improves before making any decisions. I do like the quarterly distributions from EPD, but this tax headache has me questioning whether the yield difference is worth it compared to my SCHD holdings that cause zero tax filing issues.

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StarSeeker

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I'm dealing with the exact same EPD K-3 situation right now! Got my K-1 yesterday and it clearly states the K-3 should be attached, but nothing there. Called their investor relations line three times and just got the runaround about "maybe providing it by August." This is incredibly frustrating because like you, this is literally the last document I need to file. I've been going back and forth on whether to just file an extension, but reading through these responses has been really helpful. The placeholder method mentioned by Amina sounds like it might be the way to go for small investors like us. Has anyone actually confirmed what EPD considers a "small" investment threshold where the K-3 isn't really necessary? I'm holding about $8,000 worth and wondering if that qualifies as immaterial for their foreign income reporting.

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Ruby Blake

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I'm in a similar boat with EPD - just got my K-1 and no K-3 in sight! From what I've gathered reading through this thread, it sounds like $8,000 would definitely fall into their "small investor" category where the foreign income is likely immaterial. Paolo mentioned earlier that EPD told him directly that investments under $10,000 are considered immaterial for K-3 purposes, so you should be well within that threshold. The placeholder method that Amina described seems like a reasonable approach - file with zeros for any potential foreign items and then review if/when the K-3 actually arrives in August. I'm probably going to go that route myself rather than deal with an extension. This whole situation really makes me appreciate why some people just stick with simple index funds!

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Aisha Mahmood

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I'm experiencing this exact same frustration with EPD! Just received my K-1 yesterday and like everyone else, no K-3 attached despite it being referenced as required. This is my second year dealing with EPD and honestly, their investor communication around tax documents is terrible. Based on what I'm reading here, it sounds like there are several viable approaches for smaller investors. The placeholder method seems reasonable - file with zeros for potential foreign items and amend later if needed. I'm also intrigued by the tools mentioned like taxr.ai for analyzing whether the K-3 is actually necessary based on your investment size. My position is around $12,000, so I'm borderline on whether I'd qualify for the "immaterial" threshold that Paolo mentioned. I think I'm going to try the Claimyr service to get direct confirmation from EPD about whether I need to wait, since spending hours on hold with their regular investor relations line doesn't seem worth it. It's frustrating that a partnership this size can't provide clear guidance to their investors about these requirements. The fact that they're saying "maybe by August" for required tax documents is just unacceptable when the filing deadline is April 15th.

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Skylar Neal

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I'm dealing with this same EPD nightmare! Just got my K-1 today and same story - references K-3 but nothing attached. This is my first year with a PTP and honestly wasn't prepared for this level of complexity. Your $12,000 position puts you right on the edge of what seems to be their threshold. From what Paolo shared, EPD told him under $10,000 is considered immaterial, so you might want to get direct confirmation for your specific situation. The Claimyr approach sounds smart - if you can actually reach someone who knows what they're talking about, it would save a lot of guesswork. I'm leaning toward the placeholder method myself since my position is smaller, but for $12,000 I'd probably want more certainty before filing. Let us know what you find out if you do contact them - it could help others in similar situations!

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Molly Hansen

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I'm going through this exact same EPD K-3 headache right now! Just received my K-1 this morning and of course, no K-3 attached despite being referenced as required. This is my third year holding EPD and their tax document process seems to get more confusing each year. After reading through all these responses, I'm feeling more confident about moving forward without waiting until August. My position is around $6,500, so based on Paolo's experience with EPD confirming that under $10,000 is considered immaterial, I should be well within that threshold. I think I'm going to go with the placeholder method that Amina described - file with zeros for any potential foreign income items and be prepared to amend if the August K-3 shows anything material. Given the size of my investment, I doubt there will be any significant foreign income that would actually impact my tax liability. It's really helpful to see that so many people are dealing with this same issue. At least now I know it's not just me being confused by the process! Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences and solutions - definitely saved me from filing an unnecessary extension.

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Tasia Synder

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You're definitely not alone in this frustration! I'm a newcomer to this community but have been lurking and reading through everyone's experiences with EPD's K-3 situation. Your $6,500 position should absolutely qualify as immaterial based on what others have shared. The placeholder method seems like the most practical approach for smaller investors like yourself. It's reassuring to see that even tax professionals are recommending this strategy when partnerships fail to provide timely documentation. Just make sure to document your decision-making process in case you ever need to explain your filing position later. Thanks for sharing your experience - it's helpful to see that this is such a widespread issue with EPD specifically. Makes me think twice about PTP investments in general, but at least now we all know what to expect for future tax seasons!

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Sasha Ivanov

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I'm new to this community but dealing with the exact same EPD K-3 nightmare! Just got my K-1 today and like everyone else here, it references the K-3 as required but there's nothing attached. This is my first year investing in PTPs and honestly, I had no idea it would be this complicated. Reading through all these experiences has been incredibly helpful. I have a relatively small position (around $4,000), so based on what Paolo shared about EPD's under-$10,000 threshold, I should definitely qualify as immaterial. The placeholder method that Amina described sounds like the most reasonable approach - file with zeros for potential foreign items and amend later if needed. It's frustrating that a major partnership like EPD can't provide clear guidance or timely documentation to their investors. The "maybe by August" response is completely unacceptable when we're trying to meet the April 15th deadline. At least now I know this is a widespread issue and not just my own confusion! Thanks to everyone who shared their solutions and experiences. It's really reassuring to know there are practical approaches to deal with this situation without having to file an extension.

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Ravi Patel

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Welcome to the community! You're definitely in good company with this EPD frustration. With a $4,000 position, you're well below what seems to be their materiality threshold, so the placeholder method should work perfectly for your situation. I'm also relatively new to PTP investing and this whole thread has been eye-opening about what to expect. It's really helpful that experienced members like Ava, Paolo, and others have shared their solutions. The fact that this is such a common issue with EPD specifically makes me wonder if they need to completely overhaul their investor communication process. At least we're all learning together! Your approach of filing with zeros and being prepared to amend if needed sounds very reasonable given your investment size.

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Chloe Taylor

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I'm also dealing with this exact EPD K-3 situation! Just received my K-1 yesterday and same story - it references the K-3 as required but nothing provided. This is my second year with EPD and I was really hoping they would have sorted out this process by now. Reading through everyone's experiences here has been incredibly valuable. I have about a $7,500 position, so based on Paolo's confirmation that EPD considers under $10,000 as immaterial, I should be fine to proceed without waiting until August. I'm going to follow Amina's placeholder method - file with zeros for any potential foreign income items and be ready to amend if the eventual K-3 shows anything significant. Given the investment size, I seriously doubt there will be material amounts that would actually affect my tax liability. It's really frustrating that such a large partnership can't provide clear communication about these requirements. The vague "maybe by August" response is completely unhelpful when we're all trying to meet filing deadlines. At least this thread has shown me there are practical solutions and I'm not alone in this confusion! Thanks to everyone who shared their approaches - you've saved me from filing an unnecessary extension.

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