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Amina Sy

International Student Tax Guide: F1 Visa Holders & Nonresident Alien Tax Filing Requirements

I just got accepted to a PhD program in the US and will be coming on an F1 visa, but I'm completely lost when it comes to taxes for nonresident aliens. I've been trying to understand what forms I need to file and how much I'll actually owe. From what I've gathered so far, I might need to submit: - Form 8843 to establish my nonresident status - Form 1040NR for nonresident tax filing - Possibly Form W-7 for an ITIN (though I'm confused about this) - Form 8233 related to the tax treaty with my home country But I have so many questions that are keeping me up at night: My country has a tax treaty that only covers "scholar salary" but not "student salary" or "scholarships" - what does this mean for my stipend? If I'm required to get an SSN, do I also need an ITIN? And what exactly is the SSN used for in my case? Will my 5 years as a PhD student count toward employment history for immigration purposes later? Can I participate in retirement plans like 401k despite being a nonimmigrant? Why do I need an SSN if I'm exempt from FICA and Medicare taxes and can't receive social security benefits? How does one become a resident for tax purposes? I read something about being subject to 30% taxation on capital gains if in the US for 183+ days - does this mean I can become a tax resident through the substantial presence test? I'm completely overwhelmed and afraid of making mistakes that could create problems with the IRS or immigration. The tax treaty is 100 pages of legal jargon, and every website I check just confuses me more. Any help would be incredibly appreciated!

Hey there! I was in your shoes about 4 years ago. The US tax system is definitely overwhelming, especially for international students. Let me break this down for you: For F1 visa holders, you're considered a nonresident alien for tax purposes for your first 5 calendar years in the US. This means you'll file Form 8843 and Form 1040NR (not regular 1040). About your specific questions: - The "scholar" vs "student" distinction in tax treaties typically refers to your role. As a PhD student, you might be considered either depending on whether you're primarily studying or researching/teaching. Check Article 20 of your specific country's tax treaty. - SSN vs ITIN: If you'll be working on campus (including as a TA/RA), you'll get an SSN. You only need an ITIN if you don't qualify for an SSN but still need to file taxes. - Your PhD years won't typically count as "employment" for immigration purposes, but they do count toward the substantial presence test for tax residency. - Yes, you can set up retirement accounts even as a nonimmigrant. Many universities offer 403(b) plans (similar to 401k) to their international students. - The SSN requirement exists because it's your tax identification number, even if you're exempt from certain taxes. - Becoming a resident for tax purposes: After 5 calendar years on F1, you'll likely pass the substantial presence test and be considered a resident alien for tax purposes. This is separate from immigration status. - The 30% capital gains rule applies to nonresident aliens with US investments. Once you become a tax resident, you'll be taxed like a US person on worldwide income. Don't stress too much - your university's international student office will have resources to help you navigate this!

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Amina Sy

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Thank you so much for the detailed explanation! I'm still a bit confused about the tax treaty part. My country's treaty specifically mentions tax exemption for "teaching and research" but nothing about student stipends. Does this mean my stipend will be fully taxable? Also, if I become a resident alien for tax purposes after 5 years, will I start paying FICA and Medicare taxes too? Would that benefit me in any way since I don't plan to stay permanently?

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The tax treaty interpretation depends on how your stipend is classified. If your stipend is payment for teaching or research activities (like a TA or RA position), it might qualify under that exemption. Pure scholarships or fellowships might be handled differently. Your university's payroll department can help determine exactly how your specific compensation package is classified under your country's treaty. After becoming a resident alien for tax purposes (usually after 5 calendar years), you would generally start paying FICA and Medicare taxes. The benefit question is complicated - you need 40 quarters (10 years) of contributions to qualify for Social Security retirement benefits, but there might be totalization agreements between the US and your home country that allow you to count work credits from both countries. Medicare benefits generally require 10 years of work history too. If you don't stay that long, you may not personally benefit from these contributions, though some countries have agreements for recovering these payments.

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After dealing with this exact situation myself, I finally found something that saved me so much stress. There's a service called taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai) that specializes in international student tax situations. Their system is designed to understand all the complexities of nonresident alien taxation and tax treaties. When I uploaded my documents, they automatically determined which forms I needed to file based on my visa status and country of origin. They even handled all the tax treaty provisions specific to my situation without me having to interpret all that legal jargon myself. What really helped was their specific knowledge about F1 visa holders and the substantial presence test calculations. They explained exactly when I would transition from nonresident to resident status and what that meant for my filing requirements.

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NebulaNomad

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Does it handle state taxes too? My university is in California and I've heard the state tax situation is completely different from federal taxes for international students.

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Javier Garcia

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I'm skeptical about using online services for international tax filing. How do they handle tax treaties specifically? My country (India) has very specific provisions and I've had tax preparers mess this up before.

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Yes, they handle both federal and state taxes. California does have some specific rules for international students, and the system guides you through those state-specific requirements in addition to your federal filing. They even explain which income is taxable at the state level versus federal. They have a dedicated module for tax treaties with specific provisions for each country, including India. They actually ask detailed questions about your funding source, whether you're on scholarship or working as a TA/RA, and then apply the appropriate treaty articles. For Indian students specifically, they know about the education and research provisions in Article 21 of the US-India tax treaty.

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Javier Garcia

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Emma Taylor

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Emma Taylor

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Something important that hasn't been mentioned: keep track of your days present in the US very carefully! This becomes crucial for the substantial presence test. The formula is: - Days present in current year: count as full days - Days present in first preceding year: count as 1/3 of a day - Days present in second preceding year: count as 1/6 of a day Even though you get an exemption for 5 calendar years as an F1 student, after that, this calculation becomes very important. I messed this up and ended up having to amend my returns.

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Amina Sy

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Thanks for bringing this up! Do partial days count as full days? Like if I arrive in the US at 11pm, does that count as a full day for the substantial presence test?

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Yes, any part of a day you're physically present in the US counts as a full day for the substantial presence test. The only exceptions are: - Days you commute from Canada or Mexico if you regularly commute - Days you're in the US for less than 24 hours when in transit between two foreign locations - Days you're in the US as a crew member of a foreign vessel - Days you can't leave due to a medical condition that developed while in the US - Days you're an exempt individual (which includes your first 5 calendar years on F1) So that 11pm arrival absolutely counts as a full day!

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CosmosCaptain

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Don't forget to check if your university offers free tax preparation services for international students! Mine partners with a software called GTP Tax that's specifically for nonresident aliens. Saved me hundreds in preparation fees. Also, one thing to watch for: if you receive any US-source scholarships or fellowships that exceed your tuition and required fees, that excess amount is generally taxable even for nonresident aliens. This catches many international students by surprise.

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My university offers VITA tax clinics, but honestly, they messed up my nonresident return last year. The volunteers weren't familiar with tax treaties and I ended up having to redo everything myself. Just be careful relying on these free services unless they specifically advertise expertise with international student taxes.

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Zane Gray

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As someone who went through this exact process a few years ago, I want to emphasize something that really helped me: keep detailed records of EVERYTHING from day one. Create a simple spreadsheet tracking: - Your arrival date and every time you leave/re-enter the US - All income sources (stipend, TA/RA payments, scholarships, etc.) - Any tax documents you receive (1042-S, 1098-T, etc.) - Communications with your university's payroll about tax treaty benefits The record-keeping becomes absolutely crucial when you transition from nonresident to resident alien status after 5 years. I wish someone had told me this earlier - it would have saved me hours of trying to reconstruct my tax history. Also, regarding your question about retirement plans: even though you can participate in university retirement plans as an F1 student, be aware that if you eventually return to your home country, accessing those funds early may trigger penalties. Consider whether it makes sense for your specific situation. One last tip: if your home country has a totalization agreement with the US, keep records of your Social Security contributions once you become a resident alien. This can help you qualify for benefits in either country later, even if you don't stay in the US for the full 10 years typically required.

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Chloe Davis

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This is incredibly helpful advice! I never thought about the record-keeping aspect, but you're absolutely right - I should start documenting everything from the moment I arrive. Quick question about the totalization agreements - do you know if there's an easy way to find out if my home country has one with the US? I tried searching on the Social Security Administration website but it's not very clear. Also, regarding the retirement plan participation, that's a great point about early withdrawal penalties. Since I'm planning to return home after my PhD, it might not make financial sense to contribute. Did you end up participating in your university's retirement plan, and if so, how did you handle it when you left the US? Thanks for taking the time to share your experience - it's exactly the kind of real-world perspective I was hoping to find!

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Olivia Clark

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@ac68532f8d25 Great question about totalization agreements! The Social Security Administration website has a specific section for international agreements. You can find a complete list at ssa.gov/international/agreements_overview.html - it covers about 30 countries including most of Europe, Canada, Australia, Japan, and South Korea. Regarding retirement plans, I did participate in my university's 403(b) plan, but only contributed enough to get any employer match (free money is still free money!). When I left the US, I had a few options: - Leave the funds invested until age 59.5 (no early withdrawal penalty) - Roll over to an IRA and manage it remotely - Take an early distribution (10% penalty plus taxes) I chose to leave the funds invested since I was only 28 when I left. Even with the currency exchange considerations, the tax-deferred growth made it worthwhile for my situation. One thing I didn't mention earlier: if you're from a country with a tax treaty that has a "saving clause," you might still owe taxes to your home country on US retirement plan distributions later. It's worth checking with a tax professional in your home country about this before contributing significant amounts. The record-keeping really is crucial though - I can't stress this enough! Immigration lawyers later told me my detailed spreadsheet helped tremendously when I applied for other visas, since it showed clear compliance with tax obligations.

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Zara Rashid

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm also an incoming F1 PhD student and had similar fears about making tax mistakes. Reading through everyone's experiences has been reassuring. One thing I wanted to add that might help other international students: check if your university has an International Student Services office that specifically helps with tax questions. Mine scheduled a group session just for international students before tax season, and they walked through examples of filling out Form 8843 and Form 1040NR. They also explained something I didn't know - that even if you don't owe any taxes (due to treaty benefits or low income), you still need to file these forms to maintain your nonresident status. Missing these filings can actually affect your ability to claim treaty benefits in future years. @af00013caca2 For your specific situation with the PhD stipend, definitely reach out to your graduate school's financial aid office. They should be able to tell you exactly how your funding is classified (scholarship vs. wages) and whether any portion qualifies for treaty benefits. This classification makes a huge difference in your tax liability. Also, don't forget that many states don't tax scholarships used for tuition and required fees, even if the federal government does. So even if part of your funding is taxable federally, you might save money at the state level. The learning curve is steep, but you've got this! The international student community is usually very supportive when it comes to sharing tax experiences.

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Michael Green

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@af00013caca2 @63a0a9e23046 This is such valuable information! I'm also starting my F1 journey next fall and honestly had no idea about the filing requirements even when you don't owe taxes. That's exactly the kind of detail that could trip up newcomers like us. I wanted to ask - for those group sessions your university held, did they cover what happens if you mess up your first year filing? Like if you accidentally file the wrong forms or miss a deadline? I'm terrified of making a mistake that could affect my visa status later. Also, regarding the scholarship vs wages classification - is this something that's consistent across universities, or does each school handle it differently? I'm trying to understand if I should expect my TA stipend to be treated the same way everywhere or if it varies by institution. Thanks for mentioning the state tax benefits too! I'll be in Texas, so I'm hoping the no state income tax situation will simplify things at least on that front. It's really encouraging to see how supportive everyone is being in this thread. The international student tax situation seemed so overwhelming before, but breaking it down like this makes it feel much more manageable.

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