IRS Insolvency Worksheet 4681 - How to handle Line 10 for taxes owed from previous years
I'm completely overwhelmed trying to fill out this Insolvency Worksheet 4681 for my canceled debt. I'm stuck on Line 10 where it asks about taxes owed from prior tax years. I have some back taxes from 2022 and 2023 that I still haven't paid off (about $7,300 total). Does this amount go on Line 10 of the worksheet? I'm not sure if this counts as a liability for the insolvency calculation. I've looked at the instructions but they're confusing. I had a credit card debt of $14,500 forgiven last year, and I'm trying to figure out if I qualify as insolvent at the time of forgiveness. My assets were pretty minimal then - just my car worth about $6,000 and about $2,300 in my checking account. Any help with Line 10 of Form 4681 would be really appreciated!
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LongPeri
Yes, unpaid taxes from prior years absolutely count as liabilities on Line 10 of the Insolvency Worksheet 4681. The worksheet is designed to compare all your assets against all your liabilities at the time the debt was forgiven. Your $7,300 in unpaid taxes from 2022 and 2023 should definitely be included as liabilities. Based on what you've shared, your assets were approximately $8,300 ($6,000 car + $2,300 checking account), while your liabilities included at least $14,500 in credit card debt plus $7,300 in back taxes, totaling $21,800. This would make you insolvent by $13,500 at the time of forgiveness, which means you might be able to exclude some or all of the forgiven debt from your taxable income. Make sure you complete the entire worksheet carefully and attach it to your tax return. The amount of canceled debt you can exclude is limited to the amount you were insolvent.
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Oscar O'Neil
•If they were insolvent by $13,500 but the forgiven debt was $14,500, does that mean they have to report $1,000 as income? Also, do they need to file any other forms besides attaching the worksheet?
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LongPeri
•That's correct. If they were insolvent by $13,500 and the forgiven debt was $14,500, then $13,500 of the forgiven debt can be excluded from income, but the remaining $1,000 would need to be reported as income on their tax return. They would need to complete Form 982, "Reduction of Tax Attributes Due to Discharge of Indebtedness," to report the exclusion amount, and then report any taxable portion of the canceled debt as "Other Income" on Schedule 1 of Form 1040. The completed Insolvency Worksheet isn't actually filed with the return, but should be kept with their tax records as documentation.
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Charlee Coleman
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Sara Hellquiem
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Carmella Fromis
I think everyone is missing a key point on the insolvency worksheet 4681. The liabilities need to be ones that would have been discharged in bankruptcy! At least that's what my accountant told me. So if your back taxes wouldn't be dischargeable in bankruptcy (which most aren't), then they might not count on Line 10.
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Theodore Nelson
•That's not quite right. The insolvency worksheet instructions don't say anything about debts needing to be dischargeable in bankruptcy. Line 10 specifically asks for "taxes owed" with no qualification about whether they'd be dischargeable in bankruptcy. I just went through this process last month.
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Carmella Fromis
•You're right, I double-checked and I had it confused with something else. Line 10 is just asking for the total amount of taxes you owed at the time the debt was canceled, regardless of whether they'd be dischargeable in bankruptcy. My mistake! All federal, state and local taxes that were owed at the time should be included on Line 10.
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AaliyahAli
Don't forget that the worksheet also asks for "other assets" on Line 5. Do you have any retirement accounts, cash value life insurance, household goods, etc? You need to include the fair market value of all those things too, which might affect your insolvency calculation.
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Freya Collins
•Thanks for bringing that up! I do have an old 401k with about $8,200 in it that I forgot to mention. I also have some collectibles worth maybe $2,000. I guess I need to add those to my asset total which would bring it to around $18,500 instead of just $8,300. Does this mean I'm not insolvent anymore? My liabilities are around $21,800 ($14,500 credit card + $7,300 taxes), so I'd only be insolvent by about $3,300 now. Would I still get any tax benefit from that?
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Kyle Wallace
•Yes, you'd still get a tax benefit! Even if you're only insolvent by $3,300, that means $3,300 of your $14,500 forgiven debt can be excluded from taxable income. You'd only have to report $11,200 as income instead of the full $14,500. That's still a significant tax savings. Make sure to get accurate valuations for all your assets though - the IRS can question your numbers if they seem unreasonable. For the 401k, use the account balance as of the date the debt was forgiven. For collectibles, you might want to get them appraised or at least research comparable sales to support your $2,000 valuation.
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Dmitry Popov
Just wanted to add some clarity on the valuation date that's really important - all your assets AND liabilities need to be valued as of the exact date your debt was canceled/forgiven, not when you're filling out the form. So if your credit card debt was forgiven on a specific date in 2024, that's the snapshot date you need to use for everything on the worksheet. This means if your 401k balance or checking account amount was different on the forgiveness date compared to now, you need to use the amounts from that specific date. Same goes for any other debts you owed at that time. I made this mistake initially and had to redo my entire worksheet when my tax preparer caught it. The IRS is very specific about using the "immediately before the discharge" amounts.
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