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Nia Watson

Dealing with Form 982 for Reduction of Tax Attributes Due to Discharged Debt

Title: Dealing with Form 982 for Reduction of Tax Attributes Due to Discharged Debt 1 The IRS just hit me with a surprise adjustment for a $15,500 canceled debt from 2018. They basically added that amount to my 2018 income and now they're saying I owe them about $4,600 in additional taxes. Talk about a blast from the past! So I started looking into this and found Form 982 (Reduction of Tax Attributes Due to Discharge of Indebtedness). I filled out the insolvency worksheet to figure out my financial position when the debt was canceled. After calculating everything - my home value, car, retirement accounts, mortgage, credit cards, etc. - I came up with: - Total liabilities: $295,000 - Total assets: $275,000 - Net insolvency: $20,000 Since my insolvency ($20,000) is more than the canceled debt ($15,500), I think I qualify for the full exclusion? I'm trying to make sure I understand this Form 982 correctly before responding to the IRS. Anyone dealt with this before?

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8 You're definitely on the right track with Form 982! The insolvency exclusion is exactly what you need in this situation. Since your insolvency amount ($20,000) exceeds the canceled debt amount ($15,500), you can exclude the entire canceled debt from your income. On Form 982, you'll want to check box 1b for "Discharge of indebtedness to the extent insolvent" and then enter the excluded amount ($15,500) on line 2. You'll also need to reduce certain tax attributes on Part II of the form, which basically means adjusting things like net operating losses or the basis of certain property. Make sure you include a detailed calculation of your insolvency with your response to the IRS. List all assets and liabilities as of the date the debt was canceled. The more documentation you can provide to support your valuation of assets and liabilities, the better position you'll be in if they have questions.

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3 Thanks for this info! I'm trying to figure out Part II of Form 982. Do I have to fill that out even if I don't have any of those tax attributes like net operating losses or capital losses? And how do I document my insolvency? Should I just attach my own spreadsheet showing assets and liabilities or is there a specific form?

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8 If you don't have any of the tax attributes listed in Part II, you still need to complete the form, but you won't need to make any entries in that section. Just check box 1b and put your exclusion amount on line 2. For documenting insolvency, there's no official IRS form, so creating your own spreadsheet is perfect. List all assets with FMV and all liabilities as of the exact date the debt was canceled. Include anything that supports your valuations - property tax statements, mortgage statements, bank records, credit card statements, car value printouts, retirement account statements, etc. The more thorough your documentation, the stronger your case.

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7 Did it help with figuring out which tax attributes to reduce in Part II? That's the part I'm struggling with the most. I understand the insolvency calculation but not sure what to do after determining I was insolvent.

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12 How accurate is this AI thing really? I've heard mixed things about tax AI tools. Did they actually review your specific situation or just give generic advice? I've been burned before by online "solutions" that ended up causing more problems with the IRS.

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15 It absolutely helped with the tax attributes section. The system explained which attributes I needed to adjust based on my specific situation and in what order - there's actually a required sequence for reducing them that I had no idea about. Very detailed guidance there. The accuracy was impressive compared to other tools I've tried. This wasn't generic advice - it analyzed my specific numbers and circumstances. They have tax professionals who review the AI guidance, so you're getting the best of both worlds. I was skeptical too until I saw the detailed documentation package they created specifically for my case.

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12 I was really skeptical about AI tax tools as mentioned above, but I gave https://taxr.ai a shot after struggling with my Form 982 situation for weeks. I'm honestly surprised how well it worked! Uploaded my documents and within minutes had a customized guide for my specific insolvency situation. The documentation package they created saved me when the IRS followed up with questions. It included a perfectly formatted insolvency worksheet showing all my assets and liabilities with proper valuations, and a detailed explanation of why the canceled debt should be excluded from income. The IRS accepted everything without further questions. Their guidance on reducing tax attributes was especially helpful - turns out I had a capital loss carryover I needed to adjust, which I would have completely missed on my own. Worth every penny for the stress it saved me!

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9 Sounds too good to be true. Every tax professional I know says calling the IRS is basically impossible these days. If this actually worked, why wouldn't everyone be using it? Plus, giving access to someone else to call the IRS for you might create privacy concerns.

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9 I take back everything I said about Claimyr. After getting nowhere with the IRS for weeks regarding my Form 982 situation, I decided to try the service out of desperation. Within 47 minutes, I was talking to an actual IRS representative! The agent confirmed exactly what I needed to include with my Form 982 submission and explained how the reduction of tax attributes worked in my case. She even noted in my account that I had contacted them about this issue and was preparing a response based on insolvency, which apparently helps if there are any future questions. For anyone dealing with Form 982 and insolvency calculations, getting clarification directly from the IRS can save you a ton of stress. I wish I had done this earlier instead of spinning my wheels trying to interpret the instructions on my own.

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14 I went through this exact situation last year. One thing to be very careful about is how you calculate your assets for the insolvency worksheet. The IRS is very particular about including EVERYTHING - even things you might not think of as assets. Make sure you include: - Retirement accounts (even if you can't access them without penalty) - Life insurance cash value - Personal property like furniture, electronics, jewelry - Any beneficial interest in a trust - The value of tools or equipment you use for work I made the mistake of leaving off some personal property and the IRS challenged my insolvency calculation. Had to provide a much more detailed breakdown and ended up with a smaller exclusion amount.

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2 Did they specifically ask you for appraisals of personal items? I'm trying to figure out how detailed I need to be. Like, do I need to list every piece of furniture individually or can I just put "household goods" with a reasonable estimate?

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14 They didn't ask for formal appraisals of personal items, but they did request a more itemized list than what I initially provided. You don't need to list every single piece of furniture, but major categories with reasonable estimates worked for me. For example, I broke it down into: living room furniture, bedroom furniture, kitchen appliances, electronics, etc. with an estimated fair market value for each category. For electronics and jewelry, I listed the major items separately with estimated resale values. The key is being reasonable and thorough - they're looking for good faith effort to account for everything of significant value.

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10 Quick question - does anyone know if student loan debt counts as a liability for the insolvency calculation? I have about $45k in federal student loans that were in deferment when my debt was canceled.

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Nia Watson

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8 Yes, student loan debt absolutely counts as a liability for insolvency calculations, even if it was in deferment at the time. Include the full balance as of the date the other debt was canceled. This is actually one of the more significant liabilities for many people and can make a big difference in whether you qualify for the full exclusion.

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This is really helpful information! I'm dealing with a similar situation where the IRS is claiming I owe taxes on discharged debt from a few years ago. Your insolvency calculation looks solid - the fact that your liabilities exceeded your assets by $20,000 when the $15,500 debt was canceled should definitely qualify you for the full exclusion. One thing I learned from my tax preparer is to make sure you're using fair market values for your assets, not what you originally paid. So for your home and car, use the actual market value on the date the debt was canceled, not the purchase price. Also double-check that you included ALL liabilities - credit cards, student loans, any outstanding bills, etc. The documentation is key. I'd recommend creating a detailed spreadsheet showing every asset and liability with supporting documentation. The IRS loves paper trails, so bank statements, property records, loan statements - anything that backs up your numbers will help your case.

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