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Saleem Vaziri

Help understanding insolvency calculation and Form 982 exceptions for canceled debt

I'm trying to figure out this whole insolvency thing after having some debt canceled. Looking specifically at IRC section 108(e)(2) about deductible debt and IRS Publication 4681, page 5. My credit card company forgave about $15,600 in debt and sent me a 1099-C. I've been reading that I might not have to include this in my income if I was insolvent when the debt was canceled. Basically trying to determine if the "insolvency exception" applies to me. The problem is I'm completely lost on how to properly calculate my insolvency. Do I include my 401k? My car that I'm still paying off? I also have a home equity loan and I'm not sure how to factor that in. Publication 4681 mentions Form 982 but I've never filled that out before. I think the deductible debt exclusion might also apply since some of this was business debt, but I'm confused about how to determine which portion would qualify under IRC 108(e)(2). Anyone gone through this process before?

Kayla Morgan

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The insolvency exclusion can definitely help in your situation! Here's how it works in simple terms: You're considered insolvent when your total liabilities (debts) exceed your total assets. To calculate this, you need to list ALL your assets and ALL your debts immediately before the cancellation. For assets, yes, include retirement accounts like your 401k, your car's current value (not what you owe on it), personal property, etc. For liabilities, include your mortgage, car loan, credit cards, student loans, etc. For your 401k - it counts as an asset even though there might be penalties to withdraw from it. For your car, include its fair market value as an asset, then include the loan balance as a liability. For your home, include its fair market value as an asset and the mortgage/equity loan as liabilities. If your total liabilities exceed your total assets, you were insolvent, and you can exclude canceled debt from your income up to the amount of your insolvency. Regarding the deductible debt exclusion under IRC 108(e)(2), this applies if the payment of the debt would have been deductible as a business expense. You'll need to determine what portion of the debt was actually used for deductible business expenses. Form 982 is what you'll file with your tax return to report the exclusion of canceled debt. Part I is where you mark which exclusion applies to you (insolvency would be line 1b).

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James Maki

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Thanks for that explanation. What if I was only partially insolvent? Like if my debts exceeded my assets by $10,000 but my canceled debt was $15,600? Also, do I value my assets at what I paid for them or what they're worth now?

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Kayla Morgan

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If your debts exceeded your assets by $10,000 but your canceled debt was $15,600, you can exclude only $10,000 from your income. The remaining $5,600 would be included as income on your tax return. It's a partial exclusion based on the amount of your insolvency. You should value your assets at fair market value (what they're worth now) at the time the debt was canceled, not what you paid for them. This might require some research to determine current values of things like your car, home, etc. For bank accounts and investments, use the balances immediately before the cancellation.

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Derek Olson

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Don't forget that the timing of your insolvency is critical! The calculation has to be done immediately BEFORE the cancellation of debt occurred. I messed this up the first time because I used asset values from several months after the cancellation. Also, if you have multiple cancellations in the same year, you need separate insolvency calculations for each cancellation date. The IRS was very particular about this when I got audited last year.

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Danielle Mays

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This is helpful, thanks. Do you know if I need to get formal appraisals of my assets for the insolvency calculation? Or can I use reasonable estimates for things like furniture and personal belongings?

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Derek Olson

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You don't need formal appraisals for most personal property. The IRS allows reasonable estimates for household items, furniture, clothing, etc. For big-ticket items like vehicles or collectibles, it's good to have some documentation of how you determined the value - like Kelley Blue Book printouts for cars or similar items sold on eBay for collectibles. For your home or real estate, you can use your county's assessed value, recent comparable sales, or an online estimate from a site like Zillow (though these aren't perfect). Just keep records of how you arrived at each value in case you're asked to justify them later.

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Roger Romero

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Watch out for state tax implications! The federal insolvency exclusion doesn't automatically apply to state taxes. I learned this the hard way last year when I excluded $18k from my federal return using Form 982, but my state still counted it as income! Had to file an amended state return with additional documentation. Some states follow the federal treatment, but others have their own rules for canceled debt.

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Anna Kerber

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Good point about state taxes! Which state were you in that didn't follow the federal rules? I'm in California and wondering if I'll have the same problem.

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Rachel Clark

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I was in Pennsylvania, which doesn't conform to the federal insolvency exclusion. California generally follows federal tax treatment for canceled debt exclusions, so you should be okay there. But definitely double-check with your state's tax authority or a local tax professional to be sure. Each state handles this differently - some automatically follow the federal exclusion, others require separate state forms, and a few don't recognize it at all.

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Madison Allen

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One thing to be very careful about is the order of operations when you have multiple exclusions that might apply. If you qualify for both the insolvency exclusion AND the deductible debt exclusion under IRC 108(e)(2), you generally want to apply the deductible debt exclusion first since it doesn't reduce your tax attributes (like basis in assets or NOL carryforwards). The insolvency exclusion comes with attribute reduction requirements that can affect future tax benefits. So if part of your $15,600 was business debt that would have been deductible, calculate that exclusion first on Form 982, then apply insolvency to any remaining amount. Also, keep detailed records of your insolvency calculation worksheet. Even if you don't get audited, having everything documented will save you headaches if the IRS has questions years later. I recommend creating a file with all your asset valuations, debt statements, and the exact date each debt was canceled.

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Sean O'Connor

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This is really helpful advice about the order of exclusions! I'm new to this whole canceled debt situation and hadn't realized there could be multiple exclusions that apply. When you mention "attribute reduction requirements" for the insolvency exclusion, what exactly does that mean? Does it affect things like my ability to deduct losses in future years? Also, do I need to file any additional forms besides Form 982 to document the deductible debt exclusion, or is it all handled on that same form?

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