IRS Form 8828 - Do I really need to file this Recapture of Federal Mortgage Subsidy form?
So I'm freaking out a bit about this Form 8828 thing I just discovered. We sold our starter home about 3 months shy of the 9-year mark after buying it with an FHA loan back in the day. While unpacking boxes at our new place (which we just built using proceeds from selling the old house), I stumbled across this paperwork talking about some "Federal Mortgage Subsidy Recapture" that might be due since we sold before the 9-year mark. According to this dusty form I found in my files, we now owe about $2,000 in recapture tax since we sold between year 8-9 of ownership (at 20% of the original amount). The form says it has to be physically mailed with our tax return - can't be e-filed or anything. Here's what's weird - NOBODY has mentioned this to me. Not the original lender, not the title company when we sold, not even our real estate agent or current mortgage guy. When I asked them about it, they looked at me like I was speaking another language. We're already going to owe taxes this year since we didn't have mortgage interest deductions for most of 2024 (new house wasn't finished until November). Adding another $2,000 right now would be a serious financial hit with all the new house expenses, furnishings, and holiday debt we're dealing with. My question is - does anyone actually file this Form 8828 thing? Is the IRS really tracking this? Would it be totally stupid to just file our regular taxes and see if they ever come asking about it? I mean, if I hadn't randomly found this form buried in a box my wife nearly threw out, I would have had zero clue this was even a thing. What are the chances everyone else who sells an FHA-backed home is actually paying this?
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Amina Diallo
This is definitely something you need to file. Form 8828 is legitimate and the recapture tax is real, though many people aren't aware of it. The recapture provision applies to mortgages funded by qualified mortgage bonds (QMBs), which includes many FHA loans. Your lender was supposed to provide you with a notice about potential recapture tax at closing when you first purchased the home. The fact that nobody mentioned it when you sold doesn't eliminate your obligation. The IRS does look for this, especially since the sale of your home would be reported to them via Form 1099-S from the settlement. If you meet all three triggering conditions (selling within 9 years, income increase above the threshold, and gain on the sale), then yes, you have to file Form 8828 and pay the recapture amount. Missing this could potentially trigger an audit or adjustment notice later. That said, there are some exemptions. Did your income exceed the threshold amount for your area? Did you actually have a gain on the sale after accounting for improvements? If either answer is no, you might not owe the recapture.
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Oliver Schulz
•Wait, so if your income isn't above some threshold, you might not have to pay? How do you figure out what that threshold is? We bought our FHA home 7 years ago and might need to sell next year due to a job relocation.
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Amina Diallo
•The income threshold depends on your area and family size. Look at your original mortgage documents - there should be a "Notice to Mortgagor of Maximum Recapture Tax" that shows the income limits for each year of ownership. Generally, your income needs to exceed 110% of the applicable median family income for your area at the time you got the mortgage. For your situation with a potential job relocation, check if you qualify for any exemptions. For example, if you're moving due to a job that qualifies for the work-related moving expense deduction (at least 50 miles farther from your home than your old job), you might be exempt from the recapture tax entirely.
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Natasha Kuznetsova
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AstroAdventurer
•How exactly does the system figure out if you made enough improvements? I've been terrible about keeping receipts for all the work we've done on our FHA-financed house. Would it still work in that case?
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Javier Mendoza
•This seems fishy to me. How can an AI know all the current recapture rules and thresholds for different areas? The IRS can barely keep their own systems working properly. Did you actually get audited afterward or did you just trust what the system told you?
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Natasha Kuznetsova
•The system works by having you answer questions about major improvements you made, even if you don't have all the receipts. It uses regional cost estimators for common renovations to help establish reasonable values. Of course, having some documentation helps, but they guide you through creating reasonable estimates for improvements you can't fully document. Their system is updated regularly with IRS rules and threshold changes. What impressed me was that they had tax professionals review everything - it's not just an AI making determinations without human oversight. They actually caught that I was in a county that had received a disaster declaration during my ownership period, which gave me additional exemption options I hadn't known about.
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Javier Mendoza
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Emma Wilson
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Malik Davis
•How does that service even work? I thought the IRS phone system was designed specifically to make it impossible to get through to anyone useful. Seems too good to be true that someone could crack that system.
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Isabella Santos
•I don't buy it. Paying someone else to wait on hold for you? And even if you get through, you're just getting whatever random IRS agent picks up. They give wrong information all the time. My uncle works as a CPA and says half his job is fixing mistakes the IRS phone reps told his clients.
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Emma Wilson
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Isabella Santos
I need to eat some crow here. After ranting about Claimyr being a waste of money, I tried it yesterday out of desperation with my own tax issue. I was stuck in a horrible loop with the IRS about a missing 1099 form and couldn't get anyone to help me. Hate to admit it, but the service actually works exactly as advertised. They got me through to the IRS in about 45 minutes (which apparently was a short wait by IRS standards), and I didn't have to sit there listening to that terrible hold music. The agent I spoke with pulled up my file and confirmed that I qualified for an exception to the recapture tax based on my specific situation. Saved me $2,700 and hours of frustration. Sometimes I'm too quick to be skeptical of new services.
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Ravi Gupta
Make sure you check whether your state or local government offered any additional subsidy programs when you got your mortgage. I got hit with a double whammy - the federal recapture tax AND a state program that had its own recapture provision with different rules. The Form 8828 only covers the federal portion. Some states have similar programs for first-time homebuyers that include their own recapture provisions. Worth checking before you file so you don't get surprised later.
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GalacticGuru
•How would you even find out if your state has something like this? My mortgage documents are such a mess and half of them are probably still in boxes from when we moved two years ago.
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Ravi Gupta
•You can usually find this information by contacting your state's housing finance agency or whatever agency administers first-time homebuyer programs in your state. Their websites often have information about recapture provisions. In my case, I had used a program called "First Home Illinois" which had its own recapture rules separate from the federal ones. I found all the details by searching the Illinois Housing Development Authority website. Your closing documents should mention if you used any state-specific mortgage assistance programs.
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Freya Pedersen
The IRS actually has a form that you might be able to use to get a refund if you do pay the recapture tax. It's called the Request for "Recapture of Federal Mortgage Subsidy" Tax Refund. If your income didn't increase above the threshold in the year after you sold, you can file for a refund. My husband and I paid about $1,850 in recapture tax when we sold our first home 8 years after purchase, then found out the next year we could get it all back. We had to provide documentation of our income for the year after sale. Worth considering if you're tight on cash now but expect your income might drop next year.
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Paolo Conti
•That's super helpful to know! Our income has been all over the place with my promotions and my wife switching jobs multiple times. So if we pay it now but our income drops next year, we could potentially get it refunded? Do you know where I can find more info about this refund form?
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Freya Pedersen
•Yes, that's exactly right! If your income drops below the threshold amount in the year after sale, you can get a refund. The form isn't widely publicized, but you can find it by searching "IRS Form 8828-R" or "Request for Recapture of Federal Mortgage Subsidy Tax Refund" on the IRS website. You'll need to file your regular return for the year after the sale, then complete this special refund request form and submit it separately. Include documentation of your income for that year and proof that you paid the recapture tax with your previous return. In our case, we got the full amount back about 8 weeks after submitting the request.
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