I owe ~$20k in taxes this year. Is that really bad?
Just finished our taxes and I'm kind of freaking out. Our taxable income is around $415k combined, and we've already paid approximately $59k in taxes throughout the year through withholdings. But after running everything through, we still owe about $20k more to the IRS! This caught me completely off guard. We've never owed this much before. After digging through some paperwork and looking at our W-4s, I think I figured out the issue. My wife and I didn't properly fill out our withholding forms when we both got promotions last year. We never adjusted anything after our salary increases and I think we've been seriously under-withholding. Has anyone else dealt with something like this? Is owing $20k on this income level actually normal? Or did we seriously mess something up? Should I be worried about penalties? We can pay it, but it's going to wipe out a big chunk of our savings, which really sucks.
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Jace Caspullo
This isn't necessarily "bad" in the sense that you've done something wrong - it's just a withholding issue. With a taxable income of $415k, your total tax liability is going to be pretty substantial, and the $59k you've already paid simply wasn't enough to cover your full obligation. The good news is that since you've already paid more than 80% of your total tax liability for the year, you likely won't face any underpayment penalties. The IRS generally requires you to pay at least 90% of your tax liability during the year or 100% of last year's tax (110% if your AGI was over $150,000), whichever is smaller. For next year, I'd recommend both you and your wife update your W-4 forms with your employers to increase withholding. The new W-4 form doesn't use allowances anymore, but you can specify an additional amount to withhold from each paycheck. Based on what you owe this year, you might want to each withhold an additional $800-1000 per month.
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Melody Miles
•How do you calculate how much extra to withhold on the W-4? Is there some formula or calculator you can use? My husband and I are in a similar situation (though not quite that income level) and I'm never sure how to fill those things out correctly.
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Jace Caspullo
•For calculating additional withholding, the IRS has a Tax Withholding Estimator on their website that's quite helpful. Input your expected income, deductions, credits, and current withholding, and it will suggest specific amounts to put on your W-4. If you want a simpler approach, take the amount you owed this year, divide by the number of pay periods remaining in the year, and that's approximately what you should add as additional withholding. For example, if you owed $20k and get paid twice monthly (24 pay periods), that's about $833 extra per paycheck that should be withheld.
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Nathaniel Mikhaylov
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Luis Johnson
20k on 415k income isn't that bad honestly. That's less than 5% additional tax. Your total effective tax rate is still under 20% which is pretty reasonable for that income level. I actually owed 35k last year on a similar income because I had a bunch of RSUs vest and didn't account for them properly. One thing to consider: are you maxing out your 401ks, HSAs and any other pre-tax contributions? That could help reduce your taxable income. Also, might be worth considering estimated quarterly payments going forward if your W-4 adjustments aren't enough.
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Adriana Cohn
•Thanks for that perspective - makes me feel a bit better about the situation. We actually aren't maxing our 401ks completely. Do you think that would make a significant difference in our situation? And how complicated are quarterly estimated payments to set up?
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Luis Johnson
•Maxing out your 401ks would definitely help! Each of you can contribute up to $23,000 for 2025 (assuming you're under 50), which would reduce your taxable income by $46,000 total. At your tax bracket, that could save you roughly $15,000-18,000 in federal taxes. Quarterly estimated payments aren't complicated at all. You can set them up online through the IRS Direct Pay system or through EFTPS. It's basically just making four payments throughout the year based on what you expect to owe. The IRS Form 1040-ES has a worksheet to help you calculate the right amount.
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Ellie Kim
Make sure you check your state tax withholding too! Everyone always focuses on federal taxes, but under-withholding can happen at the state level too. We had a similar federal situation last year ($14k owed on about $300k income) but then got hit with another $7k in state taxes we didn't expect. Double whammy.
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Fiona Sand
•This! I live in California and my state tax bill was almost as painful as federal. Definitely check both withholdings when you update your W-4.
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Adriana Cohn
•Oh man, I didn't even think about state taxes yet. We're in Massachusetts which isn't quite California rates but still significant. I'll definitely look at both when redoing our withholdings. Thanks for the heads up!
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