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Freya Andersen

How to maximize both dependent care benefit AND childcare tax credit for $20k daycare expenses?

So I'm spending around $26,000 a year on daycare for my son (yeah, daycare costs are insane in our area). I thought I could use both the dependent care FSA benefit AND the childcare tax credit since my expenses are so high, but I'm getting confused with the tax software results. I set aside $5,000 in the dependent care FSA through my employer, but when I tried claiming the remaining expenses ($21,000) for the childcare tax credit in both TurboTax and FreeTaxUSA, they both say I can only use one or the other. This doesn't make sense to me! I was under the impression that the $5,000 FSA benefit would just reduce my qualified expenses for the child care tax credit to $21,000. Then I should get a credit worth 20% of that amount ($4,200) since our household income is over $43,000. But both tax programs are giving me $0 for the childcare tax credit. The weird thing is Form 2441 has lines 27-31 that seem specifically designed for using both the benefit and credit together. I can't figure out why they always zero each other out. Am I missing something, or is it really impossible to benefit from both programs even with expenses this high?

You're asking a great question that confuses a lot of parents! The way the child and dependent care credit works with FSA funds is a bit tricky. The maximum expense you can claim for the child and dependent care credit is $3,000 for one child or $6,000 for two or more children. Even though you spent $26,000, the IRS caps what you can use for the credit calculation at these amounts. When you use a dependent care FSA for $5,000, that amount gets subtracted from the $3,000 limit (for one child), which leaves you with negative $2,000. Since you can't have negative qualified expenses, your credit becomes $0. Those lines on Form 2441 (27-31) are for situations where you have multiple children and your FSA doesn't exceed the total limit. For example, if you had two kids with $6,000 total eligible expenses and a $5,000 FSA, you'd have $1,000 left for the credit calculation. It's frustrating for sure, but the system is designed so you don't get "double benefits" on the same expenses.

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But wait, I thought the child care tax credit was up to $8,000 for one child and $16,000 for two children? Didn't they increase the limits during COVID? Are we back to the old limits now?

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You're thinking of the temporary expansion during COVID in 2021. For that year only, the American Rescue Plan increased the expense limits to $8,000 for one child and $16,000 for two or more children, and also made the credit refundable. Unfortunately, those expanded benefits expired and we're back to the previous limits of $3,000 for one child and $6,000 for two or more children. The credit is also back to being non-refundable, meaning it can only reduce taxes you owe but won't be paid out as a refund if it exceeds your tax liability.

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Something no one has mentioned yet - the FSA is usually better than the tax credit if you have to choose between them because: 1. FSA contributions avoid BOTH income tax AND Social Security/Medicare taxes (7.65%) 2. The tax credit only saves you income tax, not FICA taxes 3. If your tax bracket is higher than 20%, the FSA gives you more savings per dollar For example, if you're in the 22% federal bracket plus 5% state tax, that's 27% savings PLUS 7.65% FICA = almost 35% savings with the FSA vs. just 20% with the credit!

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Does that math change if you're over the Social Security wage base? I think I'll hit around $170k this year, so wouldn't I only be saving the Medicare portion for part of the year?

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Good point! For 2025, once you earn over $168,600 (the projected Social Security wage base), you stop paying the 6.2% Social Security tax, but you still pay the 1.45% Medicare tax on all earnings (plus the 0.9% Additional Medicare Tax if your income is high enough). So in your case, if you're contributing to the FSA after exceeding the SS wage base, you'd save your income tax rate (federal + state) plus just the 1.45% Medicare tax instead of the full 7.65% FICA. It's still generally better than the 20% credit for most people in tax brackets higher than 20%, but the advantage narrows.

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My tax guy told me there's a way to partially benefit from both if you have 2+ kids and don't max out the FSA. For example: - 2 kids with $20k in childcare expenses - Put $3k in FSA (not the full $5k) - Now you can claim $3k of expenses for the credit ($6k limit - $3k FSA) - Get 20% credit on that $3k = $600 tax credit This way you get both the tax-free FSA benefit AND a partial childcare credit. Might be worth running the numbers to see if this combo approach works better for your specific tax situation.

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I tried that exact approach but it didn't work out for me. I think it depends on your tax bracket? In the 24% bracket, I was better off just maxing the FSA at $5k and forgetting about the credit.

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This is exactly the kind of frustrating tax situation that trips up so many parents! I went through the same confusion last year with my daughter's daycare costs. The key insight everyone's sharing is correct - with one child, the $3,000 expense limit for the childcare tax credit is what kills your ability to use both benefits. Since you're already using $5,000 in FSA funds, you've exceeded that $3,000 limit before you even get to claim the credit. One thing to consider for next year: if your daycare costs are that high anyway, you might want to run the numbers on whether maxing out the FSA at $5,000 gives you more tax savings than trying to optimize between the two benefits. In most cases, the pre-tax savings from the FSA (especially when you factor in avoiding FICA taxes) beat the 20% credit rate. Also worth noting - some employers offer dependent care assistance programs beyond just FSAs that might help with those brutal daycare costs. Mine offers backup care services and discounts at certain daycare centers. Might be worth checking with HR to see what other family benefits are available that you might not be utilizing.

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