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Millie Long

How to handle aircraft depreciation for tax purposes when leasing to a charter company?

Hey everyone, I'm looking at a business opportunity to buy an aircraft and lease it to a charter company. I'm trying to figure out the tax implications, specifically around depreciation. My involvement could range from simply owning the aircraft and collecting lease payments to more active participation like advertising for the charter company, bringing in clients, and occasionally using the aircraft myself. Here's my main concern - I have significant W-2 income from my day job, and I'm wondering if the aircraft depreciation would be considered passive income (which wouldn't offset my W-2 earnings) or if there's a legitimate way to classify this as active income. My CPA has warned me that taking substantial aircraft depreciation against my W-2 income might trigger an IRS audit. They've suggested I need a more solid plan or additional information to justify this position if questioned. Has anyone here dealt with aircraft ownership and depreciation for tax purposes? Any insights on how to properly structure this to qualify as active income without raising red flags? What documentation or level of involvement would make this defensible to the IRS?

KaiEsmeralda

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Aircraft depreciation is a complex area of tax law, but I can help clarify some points. The key issue is whether this will be considered a passive activity or an active business. For the IRS to consider your aircraft leasing as active income, you generally need to demonstrate "material participation" - meaning you're involved in operations regularly, continuously, and substantially. This typically requires 500+ hours annually devoted to the activity, or meeting other specific tests defined by the IRS. Simply owning the aircraft and collecting lease payments would almost certainly be classified as passive. However, if you're actively involved in management decisions, marketing, client development, or operations beyond just occasional use, you may have a stronger case for active income classification. You might want to consider establishing a formal business entity for this venture and documenting all time spent on activities related to the aircraft business. Also, having a written business plan showing profit motive beyond tax benefits is crucial.

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Millie Long

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Thanks for the detailed explanation. The 500+ hour requirement seems pretty significant. Do you think activities like finding clients for the charter, handling maintenance scheduling, and making decisions about when/where the plane flies would count toward those hours? Also, would hours spent actually using the plane myself for business purposes count?

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KaiEsmeralda

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Finding clients, managing maintenance, and making operational decisions would definitely count toward material participation hours. Documentation is key - keep detailed logs of all these activities. Time spent using the aircraft yourself would only count if it's for the business operation, not personal use. If you're using it to visit potential clients, attend industry events, or similar business development activities, that can count. Personal flights, even if they're "checking the quality" of your asset, generally won't qualify.

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Debra Bai

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This sounds interesting but I'm skeptical. How exactly does the service determine if you're materially participating? Does it just analyze your documents or does it also help you track your hours and activities?

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Laura Lopez

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I've heard these AI tax tools just spit out generic advice that you could find on any tax blog. Did it actually give you specific steps for YOUR situation or just general guidelines? And did your CPA actually accept their recommendations?

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Debra Bai

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Laura Lopez

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This sounds like BS honestly. The IRS doesn't have "specialists" in aviation tax law that you can just ask to speak with. They assign you whoever picks up the phone. I seriously doubt any phone call could resolve complex business structure issues - they'd just tell you to consult a tax professional.

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I've owned aircraft for charter for about 7 years now. Here's my practical advice: create an LLC for the aircraft, have a formal management agreement with the charter company that specifies your responsibilities, and keep DETAILED logs of everything you do related to the business. I'm talking 15-minute increments of work. The key is showing you're making regular management decisions, not just collecting checks. Also, if the charter company is marketing your specific aircraft (not just their fleet), get involved in approving marketing materials and strategies - those hours count too!

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Millie Long

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This is super helpful real-world advice! Do you find that certain activities carry more weight than others when proving material participation? I'm wondering if I should focus my time on specific aspects of the business to strengthen my case.

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In my experience, marketing and client acquisition activities tend to carry a lot of weight because they directly demonstrate your role in generating business. Management decisions about maintenance timing, upgrades, and operational availability also matter significantly. Documentation is everything though. I maintain a separate calendar exclusively for aircraft business activities with detailed notes. During an audit review three years ago, this documentation was crucial in defending my position. One thing I recommend is quarterly business review meetings (documented) where you analyze performance and make strategic decisions - these clearly demonstrate your ongoing management role.

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JaylinCharles

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Has anyone actually used Bonus Depreciation for their aircraft purchase? The 2025 rates are down to 60% I think, but that's still significant. My concern is whether taking such massive first-year depreciation would be more likely to trigger audit scrutiny than depreciating over the standard 5-year MACRS schedule.

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I took bonus depreciation on my aircraft purchase in 2023 and yes, it did lead to extra scrutiny, but not a formal audit. The IRS sent an information request letter asking for documentation of business use percentages and material participation. I provided my activity logs and business plan, and they accepted it without further questions. The key was that I could demonstrate legitimate business purpose beyond tax benefits.

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Avery Saint

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That's reassuring to hear your experience with the information request. Did you have to provide specific percentages of business vs personal use, or was it more about demonstrating the overall business nature of the operation? I'm trying to figure out what level of detail I should be tracking from day one to be prepared for potential scrutiny.

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Ravi Kapoor

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I've been through a similar situation with aircraft depreciation and learned some hard lessons. The IRS is definitely paying closer attention to aircraft depreciation claims, especially when they're substantial relative to other income sources. One thing that really helped me was establishing clear metrics for business use vs personal use from day one. I track flight hours, passenger manifests, and the business purpose of each flight. For charter operations, I also document my involvement in scheduling decisions, maintenance approvals, and any marketing efforts. The "material participation" test is crucial - you need to show you're actively managing the business, not just passively collecting rental income. I'd recommend setting up formal processes: monthly business reviews with the charter company, involvement in pricing decisions, and documented participation in maintenance planning. Also consider Section 179 deduction limits alongside bonus depreciation. The combination can be powerful but you want to make sure your activity level supports the tax position you're taking. Document everything - time logs, meeting notes, business correspondence. If you can show this is a real business with profit motive beyond tax benefits, you'll be in a much stronger position.

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This is really comprehensive advice, thank you! I'm particularly interested in your mention of Section 179 deduction limits alongside bonus depreciation. Could you elaborate on how those work together? Also, when you say "monthly business reviews with the charter company" - are these formal meetings you schedule, or more informal check-ins? I want to make sure I'm setting up the right kind of documentation trail from the beginning.

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Great question about Section 179 and bonus depreciation! They can actually stack in some cases. Section 179 has annual limits ($1.16M for 2025, I believe) and phases out with total equipment purchases over $2.89M. You can take Section 179 first, then apply bonus depreciation to the remaining basis. However, for aircraft, you need to be careful about the business use percentage - both require over 50% business use. For the monthly reviews, I do formal scheduled meetings with documented agendas and minutes. We cover operational performance, upcoming maintenance needs, market conditions, and strategic decisions. I also maintain email trails for any pricing discussions or operational changes I approve. The key is showing consistent, ongoing management involvement rather than just annual check-ins. One tip: if you're making decisions about when the aircraft is available for charter vs held for maintenance or your own use, document those decisions. That level of operational control really strengthens your material participation case.

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Andre Dubois

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This is exactly the kind of situation where proper planning and documentation from day one makes all the difference. I went through a similar analysis when I was considering aircraft investment, and here's what I learned: The IRS looks at several factors beyond just hours worked - they want to see genuine business decision-making authority. Things like approval rights for maintenance expenditures, involvement in setting charter rates, decisions about aircraft availability, and participation in marketing strategies all strengthen your material participation case. One often overlooked aspect is the "regular, continuous, and substantial" requirement. It's not just about hitting 500 hours annually - the IRS wants to see consistent involvement throughout the year, not just seasonal bursts of activity. I'd recommend establishing weekly check-ins with your charter operator and documenting operational decisions you make. Also, consider the economics beyond depreciation. Make sure your projected income from the charter arrangement, combined with any personal use value, creates a legitimate profit motive. The IRS gets suspicious when tax benefits significantly exceed actual economic returns from the activity. Your CPA's caution about audit risk is well-founded, but with proper structure and documentation, aircraft depreciation can be defensible. The key is treating this as a real business operation, not just a tax strategy. Document everything, stay actively involved, and make sure the numbers make sense as a business venture independent of tax considerations.

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StarSurfer

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This is really solid advice, especially about the "regular, continuous, and substantial" requirement. I hadn't thought about weekly check-ins being important for showing consistent involvement throughout the year rather than just accumulating hours. One question - when you mention "approval rights for maintenance expenditures," how detailed should that involvement be? Should I be approving every routine maintenance item, or focus on larger decisions? I'm trying to balance showing genuine control without micromanaging to the point where it becomes impractical for the charter company to operate efficiently. Also, your point about profit motive beyond tax benefits really resonates. Do you think it's worth getting a formal business valuation or market analysis done upfront to demonstrate that the economics make sense independently? My concern is that if the depreciation benefits are substantial relative to the actual cash flow, it might look like the tax tail is wagging the business dog.

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