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How to handle QBI Loss Carry Forward rules for closed business?

I'm dealing with a confusing QBI loss carry forward situation and hoping someone can help sort this out. First, is QBI carry forward optional or mandatory? I can't figure out why the IRS would force you to take a deduction that might lower your taxes - seems counterintuitive. Here's my issue: My father had two businesses in 2022. One was a financial consulting firm and the other was rental properties (which he actively managed). Both businesses had losses that year, and unfortunately, he was diagnosed with early Alzheimer's. The family had to shut down his financial consulting business completely on December 31, 2022. The combined QBI loss carry forward is around $23,000 ($21,500 from the financial consulting business and about $1,500 from the rental properties). I understand carrying forward the rental property loss ($1,500) since that business still exists in 2023, but I'm confused about having to carry forward the $21,500 loss from the financial consulting business that's now closed. My dad doesn't want to carry that loss forward at all. So my main question: Is QBI loss carry forward mandatory or can we choose not to use it? I'm really stuck on this and would greatly appreciate any insights!

The QBI loss carryforward is actually mandatory under the tax code. According to IRC Section 199A, a QBI loss must be carried forward and used to reduce QBI in the next tax year. It's not optional, even if the business that generated the loss no longer exists. Think of it this way - the QBI calculation looks at your qualified business income across ALL qualified trades or businesses. So even though the financial consulting business closed, the tax code sees it as part of your father's overall qualified business activities. For your father's situation, the $21,500 QBI loss from the financial consulting business must be carried forward and will offset any positive QBI from the rental business in 2023. The IRS views this as a way to accurately reflect the true economic outcome of your father's business activities over time.

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But that doesn't seem fair if the business is totally closed! Does that mean the loss will just keep carrying forward forever until there's enough income to offset it? What if he never has enough rental income to use up the $21,500 loss?

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The loss will continue to carry forward indefinitely until it's fully absorbed by future QBI income. It doesn't expire. If your father's rental properties start generating positive QBI in future years, the carried forward loss will reduce that income for QBI deduction purposes. If he never generates enough rental income to fully absorb the loss, then unfortunately some of that QBI loss benefit may never be realized. That's one of the limitations of how the QBI rules work when a business closes. However, keep in mind that even though the financial consulting business closed, if your father starts any new qualified business in the future, the loss carryforward would offset income from that business as well.

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I experienced something similar with my small business that closed in 2021. The QBI rules can be really frustrating when you're dealing with a shutdown. One thing to consider - even though your dad closed the financial consulting business, did he receive any 1099s in 2023 for work completed in 2022? Sometimes there's trailing income that could offset some of that carryforward. Also, is there any chance the rental activities could be aggregated as a single business with proper election? That might help optimize how the losses are applied.

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That's a good point about potential trailing income. He did receive about $3,800 in 1099s in early 2023 for work completed in late 2022. Would that income help with the QBI loss carryforward even though it was reported on the 2023 return? The rental properties are all residential units managed as one business activity, so I believe they're already properly aggregated. The rental income just isn't substantial enough to offset much of the carryforward.

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The 1099 income received in 2023 for work done in 2022 would be reported on the 2023 return, and that would actually be helpful! That $3,800 would be considered QBI in 2023, and the carryforward loss would reduce it. As for the rentals being properly aggregated, that's good. While the rental income might not offset the entire carryforward immediately, at least you're gradually using it up. Some people miss the aggregation election and end up with suboptimal QBI calculations.

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Has anyone dealt with the state tax implications of QBI loss carryforwards? My state doesn't conform to the federal QBI deduction and I'm getting conflicting advice on how to handle the loss carryforward on my state return.

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This varies significantly by state. States that don't conform to federal QBI rules typically just ignore the QBI calculation entirely for state tax purposes. The business income/loss would still flow through to your state return, but without the additional QBI deduction or loss carryforward mechanics. Which state are you in? Some states have published specific guidance on this.

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I went through a very similar situation when my mom had to close her accounting practice due to health issues. The mandatory QBI loss carryforward felt really unfair at the time, especially since we knew she'd never have enough business income to use it all up. One thing that helped us was keeping detailed records of exactly how the loss was being applied each year. We created a simple spreadsheet tracking the original loss amount, how much was used each tax year, and the remaining carryforward balance. This made it much easier when preparing returns and helped us optimize other tax planning decisions. Also, don't overlook that if your father ever does any consulting work in the future - even small projects - that income could help absorb some of the carryforward. Sometimes retirees end up doing occasional work that qualifies as business income. The IRS agent I spoke with mentioned that even minimal business activity can help utilize these losses over time. I'm sorry to hear about your father's diagnosis. These tax complications are the last thing families need to deal with during difficult times.

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