How to file taxes with no income or when business operated at a loss?
Hey everyone - I'm stuck in a bit of a tax situation and could use some advice. I'm part-owner of a small business partnership in Oklahoma that completely tanked last year. Between supply chain nightmares and me being hospitalized for two months (nothing serious now, thank goodness), our business operated at a significant loss and we couldn't even afford to pay ourselves. We have an accountant handling the business tax stuff, but I'm confused about my personal taxes. Since I technically had zero income from the business, do I still need to file a personal return? I've been surviving off my savings and my parents gave me about $15,000 to help with medical bills. Also sold my old mountain bike on Marketplace for like $250. From what I can tell from quick research, gifts under $17,000 don't need to be reported by the recipient? And should I still file a 1040 even with basically no income? Any help would be SO appreciated!
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Ethan Wilson
Yes, you should absolutely still file a tax return even with no income! This is actually more important than you might think. First, filing a tax return establishes that you had no taxable income, which creates documentation for this period in your life. This can be important if you're ever audited in the future. Second, even though your business operated at a loss, you might be able to carry those losses forward to future tax years when your business becomes profitable. This is called a Net Operating Loss (NOL) and can be very valuable. Third, depending on your business structure (partnership, LLC, S-Corp), your business losses may actually flow through to your personal return, which could potentially offset other income or be carried forward. For the gifts from your parents - you're correct! Recipients don't report gifts as income. The $17,000 (in 2023) or $18,000 (in 2024) annual exclusion applies to the giver, not the recipient. Your parents would be responsible for filing a gift tax return if they gave more than the exclusion amount, but it sounds like they're under that threshold. For the $250 bike sale, if you sold it for less than you paid for it, it's not considered taxable income. If you made a profit, technically that should be reported, but it's minimal.
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NeonNova
•So just to be clear, even if I had ZERO income last year, I should still file? Does that mean I'd need to file a federal AND state return? Also what form would I use to document business losses on my personal taxes? Sorry if these are dumb questions!
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Ethan Wilson
•Yes, you should file even with zero income. It's actually quite straightforward in your situation. You would file a federal return using Form 1040, and you may need to file a state return depending on your state's requirements (many states still require a return even with no income). For documenting business losses on your personal return, it depends on your business structure. If you have a partnership, you'll receive a Schedule K-1 from the business showing your share of the losses, and those will flow through to your personal return on Schedule E. Your accountant who's handling the business taxes should provide this K-1 to you.
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Yuki Tanaka
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Liam Mendez
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Jacob Smithson
Something nobody's mentioned yet - you might actually qualify for certain tax credits even with no income, which could mean getting money BACK when you file! For example, if you had any educational expenses last year, you might qualify for education credits. If you paid for healthcare, there might be credits available there too. And depending on your age and filing status, you might qualify for the Earned Income Tax Credit even with your business loss. Don't miss out on potential refunds just because you think you don't need to file with no income!
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Isabella Brown
•Do you know if you can get the earned income credit if your business operated at a loss? I thought you needed actual earned income to qualify for that. Also, would educational expenses count if they were related to improving business skills?
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Jacob Smithson
•For the Earned Income Tax Credit, you generally do need some earned income to qualify, so a complete business loss might not help there - I should have been more specific. However, even minimal earned income (like side gigs) can sometimes qualify if you meet the other requirements. For educational expenses, if they were directly related to improving skills for your current business, they might be deductible as business expenses rather than qualifying for education credits. Business-related education can usually be deducted on Schedule C if you're a sole proprietor or flow through on partnership returns. This is actually where documenting business losses properly becomes important for future tax benefits.
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Maya Patel
Hey so I did almost the same thing last year, my small business tanked and I had basically no income. My tax person said to definitely file because not filing for multiple years can trigger automatic flags in the IRS system! Also they explained that living off savings is totally fine tax-wise since that money was already taxed when you originally earned it. You don't pay taxes again when you withdraw from your regular savings account. Made me feel way better about the whole situation!
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Aiden Rodríguez
•Do you know if there's any minimum amount you need to earn before you're required to file? I've heard different things like $600 or $12,000 but I'm not sure what's accurate. Just trying to understand if there's an actual legal requirement to file with zero income or if it's just recommended.
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