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How to file back taxes with no records from old self-employment income?

I'm in a really tough spot and could use some advice from anyone who's been through this. I have unfiled tax returns from 2004-2014 when I was running my own handyman business (sole proprietor). The IRS is now coming after me based on what they think I made, and the amounts are ridiculous! I want to work out some kind of settlement with them, but they're refusing to negotiate until I file all these missing returns. The big problem is I don't have ANY business records anymore from that period. I lost everything during a basement flood a few years back. I tried getting transcripts from the IRS, but they only had info for the last couple years (2012-2014). They told me anything older than 10 years wasn't in their system anymore. Someone mentioned I could file using my "best reasonable estimate" of what I earned back then, but I'm nervous about signing those returns under penalty of perjury when I'm basically guessing. I don't want to get in more trouble than I already am. I called a few tax professionals, but they all wanted $3000-5000 to handle this, and I just don't have that kind of money right now. Is there a way I can do this myself? Has anyone successfully filed old returns with no records? Any DIY advice would be hugely appreciated.

You're in a common situation, and there are definitely ways to handle this without hiring expensive professionals. For filing back taxes with no records, you'll need to create what's called "reasonable estimates" of your income and expenses. This is actually acceptable to the IRS when original records are unavailable. Start by looking at your bank statements from that period if you have them. If not, try requesting them from your bank (though they might only have the last 7 years). For income estimation, think about what you typically charged for jobs, how many jobs you did weekly, and calculate monthly/yearly totals. For expenses, the standard rate for self-employed handymen typically runs 30-45% of gross income for tools, materials, vehicle expenses, etc. File Form 1040 for each year with Schedule C for your self-employment income. Be consistent in your methodology across all years. Document exactly how you arrived at your figures and keep this documentation. The IRS is mainly looking for you to make a good faith effort. Once you file these returns, you'll be in a much better position to negotiate a settlement through an Offer in Compromise or payment plan.

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Thanks for this info! I'm trying to understand the process better. If I'm estimating my income, should I try to err on the high side to be safe? And for the Schedule C expenses, can I just take a standard percentage like you mentioned, or do I need to itemize each expense category with my best guesses?

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You should aim for accuracy rather than deliberately overestimating. Use whatever information you have to make the most reasonable estimate possible - this shows good faith to the IRS. For Schedule C expenses, you'll need to break them down by category (supplies, vehicle expenses, insurance, etc.). While you can use industry averages to inform your estimates, you should distribute them across the appropriate categories rather than just claiming a single percentage. Make sure your approach is consistent across all tax years, and keep detailed notes on how you arrived at each figure.

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How does that actually work with no records? Like does it just make up numbers or is there some kind of data it's using? I'm in a similar situation but my stuff is only from 4 years ago and I'm stressing about making up numbers.

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Sounds too good to be true. Wouldn't the IRS just reject computer-generated guesses? How could they possibly know what your specific business made all those years ago?

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It uses industry benchmarks from tax data for your specific business type and location during those tax years. It's not making up random numbers - it's creating reasonable estimates based on actual data for similar businesses during the same time periods. The IRS actually accepts this approach because they use similar comparison methods during audits. What makes it valuable is the documentation that shows how each figure was calculated based on available partial information and industry standards. They're not guesses - they're data-supported estimates, which is exactly what the IRS expects when original records are unavailable.

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One thing that helped me with a similar situation was getting old bank statements. Even though you mentioned the IRS only had recent transcripts, your bank might have records going back further. Most major banks keep statements for 7+ years, and some even longer. Even partial statements can help establish income patterns. Also, if you filed any returns during those years (like state returns), those can provide clues about your income. Same with mortgage applications or loan documents from that period - they usually include income verification. For the oldest years where you truly have no documentation, be reasonable but conservative in your estimates. The IRS mainly wants to see that you're making an effort to comply.

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I actually called my old bank and they only keep records for 7 years so that only helps with the most recent missing returns. Did you have any luck explaining your situation to the IRS? Were they understanding about the estimation approach?

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In my experience, the IRS was surprisingly reasonable once I explained my situation clearly. The key was documenting my estimation methods and being consistent. For the years where you have absolutely no documentation, focus on being realistic rather than punitive to yourself. I included a detailed cover letter with each return explaining exactly why I had no records and the methodology I used to create my estimates. The agent I eventually worked with appreciated the transparency and it made the negotiation process much easier. Remember that they deal with record loss situations frequently - you're not the first person to go through this.

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Don't forget to check with the Social Security Administration too! They might have some records of any income that was reported under your SSN during those years, even if the IRS doesn't have the full returns anymore. This can give you another data point for your estimates. You can request your Social Security Statement online through their website pretty easily and it shows annual reported earnings.

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This is a great tip! I had a similar issue and the SSA earnings record was super helpful in establishing baseline income amounts. Much of my self-employment income hadn't been reported properly, but it still gave me a starting point.

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