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How to Handle Deferred Taxes on Corporate Returns - Is It Deductible?

I'm banging my head against the wall trying to figure this out for a corporate tax return I'm working on. For deferred taxes, specifically when tax depreciation exceeds book depreciation creating a deferred tax liability - is the deferred tax considered a deductible expense? Here's my specific situation: We have equipment with higher tax depreciation than book depreciation, creating a difference in the NBVs. I know you multiply this difference by the effective tax rate to calculate the deferred tax liability. But what I can't figure out is how to treat the STATE portion of this deferred tax amount. Is the state portion of this deferred tax a deductible expense on the federal return? Or should it be handled as an M-2 adjustment? Logic tells me it would be an M-2 adjustment, but I can't find anything concrete to confirm this. Anyone with corporate tax experience who can shed some light on this? Our effective rate is around 24.5% (federal + state combined) if that matters for the calculation.

The deferred tax liability itself isn't a deductible expense. It's more of an accounting mechanism that recognizes future tax obligations due to timing differences between book and tax treatment. When tax depreciation exceeds book depreciation, you're essentially deferring tax payments to future periods. The deferred tax liability account on the balance sheet represents this future obligation. But this isn't an expense you can deduct on your current tax return - it's just tracking the future impact of today's timing differences. For the state portion specifically, it follows the same principle. The state component of your deferred tax liability isn't deductible as an expense either. However, in future years when this timing difference reverses, the state taxes you'll actually pay will be deductible on your federal return for that year (assuming no tax law changes). The M-2 comes into play when reconciling book income to taxable income, but the deferred tax liability itself isn't part of this reconciliation - it's the underlying timing difference (the depreciation difference) that requires the M-2 adjustment.

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Thanks for explaining this. I'm a bit confused though - if I pay state tax in the future when this reverses, would it create a deferred tax asset now? Or am I missing something about how the federal deduction for state taxes impacts this calculation?

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The reversal itself doesn't create a deferred tax asset now. When the timing difference reverses in the future (book depreciation exceeds tax depreciation), you'll actually pay the tax that you've been deferring, which reduces your deferred tax liability account. Regarding the federal benefit of state taxes, there is an interesting nuance here. Some companies do record a "deferred tax benefit" related to the future federal tax benefit they'll get when they pay the state taxes. This is sometimes called a "deferred tax asset on a deferred tax liability." But this is fairly complex and not all companies do this - it depends on materiality and company accounting policies.

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To answer your original question more directly - the temporary difference that creates the deferred tax liability (tax depreciation > book depreciation) is what gets handled on your M-3 (not M-2), specifically in Part III, Line 31. The deferred tax expense/benefit itself that hits your income statement is never deductible - it's a financial reporting concept, not a tax concept. Think of it this way: your tax return doesn't "see" deferred taxes at all. It only sees actual depreciation deductions. The deferred tax accounting is happening in your financial statements to reconcile the two different sets of books.

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Thanks for pointing out it should be M-3 not M-2! That was a typo in my original question. So if I understand correctly, the temporary difference itself gets reported on M-3, but the deferred tax expense (both federal and state portions) stays entirely in the financial statement world and doesn't touch the tax return?

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Exactly right! The deferred tax expense (both federal and state components) lives only in your financial statement world. The tax return never sees "deferred tax expense" as a line item anywhere. The only thing that makes it to your actual tax filing is the temporary difference itself - the gap between your tax depreciation and book depreciation amounts. That difference is what you're reconciling on the M-3 schedule.

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Just to add something that might be helpful - the reason this gets confusing is because we're mixing book accounting (GAAP) concepts with tax concepts. When calculating the deferred tax liability, you're using your effective tax rate which includes state tax. But this calculation is purely for financial reporting purposes. When you actually file your tax returns, you'll take the higher tax depreciation deduction now (which is why you have the deferred tax liability in the first place), and you'll pay less tax now. In future years when the timing difference reverses, you'll have higher taxable income and pay more tax. So bottom line - no, the deferred state tax isn't a deductible expense. It's just part of your GAAP financial reporting.

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This is what makes corporate accounting so frustrating sometimes! The book/tax differences create so many complications. Do you know if this handling changes at all if you're in a state with unique tax treatment of depreciation (like California)?

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The handling stays fundamentally the same even in states like California with different depreciation rules. You'll just have more complex temporary differences to track since you might have federal book vs. federal tax differences AND federal tax vs. state tax differences. For example, if California doesn't conform to federal bonus depreciation rules, you'd calculate separate deferred tax components for federal and state, but the principle remains - none of the deferred tax expense itself is deductible on any return. You're just tracking more timing differences between different sets of books. The key is keeping your three different "views" straight: book depreciation, federal tax depreciation, and state tax depreciation. Each creates its own timing differences that feed into your overall deferred tax calculation.

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This is a great question that trips up a lot of people working on corporate returns! The key insight is that deferred tax liabilities (including the state portion) are purely financial accounting entries - they never appear as deductible expenses on your actual tax returns. When you calculate that deferred tax liability using your 24.5% effective rate, you're creating a balance sheet entry that tracks future tax obligations due to timing differences. But the IRS doesn't recognize "deferred tax expense" as a legitimate deduction because it's not an actual cash payment or legal obligation in the current year. For your specific situation with equipment depreciation differences, here's what's actually happening tax-wise: You're taking higher depreciation deductions now on your federal return (reducing current taxes), and the state portion of future taxes will be deductible on federal returns when those taxes are actually paid in future years - but only as they're paid, not as deferred amounts now. The M-3 reconciliation you mentioned is the right track - you'll report the temporary difference between book and tax depreciation there, but the deferred tax liability calculation itself stays in the financial statement world and doesn't flow through to your tax return at all.

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