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Carmen Ruiz

How to Handle Clergy Housing Allowance & Self Employment Taxes for Ministers

This is our first year dealing with the ministerial housing allowance for taxes, and I'm totally confused about how self-employment taxes work with this. My wife became an ordained minister last summer, and her church designated part of her salary as a housing allowance starting in January. Looking at her W2, I noticed box 4 (Social Security tax) and box 6 (Medicare tax) both show withholding amounts. But when we started doing our taxes in TurboTax, it asked this confusing question about whether we want to pay self-employment tax on: wages, housing allowance, both, or something else (the option got cut off). I thought ministers were considered self-employed for Social Security/Medicare purposes, but her church is already withholding these taxes? Are we supposed to pay both? Do we claim the housing allowance as exempt from income tax but still pay self-employment tax on it? Any help would be really appreciated because I don't want to mess this up and either overpay or get in trouble with the IRS.

You're right to be confused - clergy taxation is uniquely complex! Ministers have a "dual tax status" - they're typically employees for income tax purposes but self-employed for Social Security/Medicare purposes. The issue here is that your wife's church shouldn't be withholding Social Security and Medicare taxes on her W-2 (boxes 4 and 6). Ministers are exempt from these withholdings and instead must pay self-employment tax (which covers both Social Security and Medicare) on their ministerial income including the housing allowance. The housing allowance is excluded from income tax (federal, not SE tax), but it is subject to self-employment tax. You'll need to report this correctly on Schedule SE. The TurboTax question is asking which portions you want to calculate self-employment tax on, and the answer should be "both" (wages and housing allowance). I recommend contacting your wife's church payroll department to let them know they shouldn't be withholding Social Security and Medicare taxes from her pay. You'll likely need to file Form 843 to request a refund of the incorrectly withheld Social Security and Medicare taxes.

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Zoe Dimitriou

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Does this mean they'll essentially be double-taxed on the Social Security and Medicare portion since the church already withheld it AND they'll pay self-employment tax on the same income?

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That's exactly the problem - it would be double taxation if not corrected. The minister should only pay these taxes once, through self-employment tax (Schedule SE). For the amount already incorrectly withheld, you'll need to file Form 843 "Claim for Refund and Request for Abatement" to get back the Social Security and Medicare taxes that were improperly withheld. You'll attach a statement from the employer confirming they erroneously withheld these taxes.

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Mei Zhang

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How can you be sure the advice is correct? I've heard horror stories about getting audited for clergy tax issues - our pastor even got hit with a huge bill a few years ago because someone gave him bad advice.

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NeonNomad

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Just want to add something important that no one's mentioned yet - ministers can file Form 4361 to opt out of self-employment taxes entirely if they have religious objections to public insurance. This exemption has to be filed early in your ministry career though (within your first two years of ministerial income). Has your wife considered this option? It would mean no Social Security or Medicare taxes at all, but also no benefits from these programs during retirement unless she has enough credits from other employment.

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Carmen Ruiz

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Thanks for mentioning this, but I don't think this applies to our situation. My wife doesn't have religious objections to Social Security, so we want to make sure we're paying the right taxes - just not double-paying them! I think we just need to get the church to stop withholding FICA taxes and then pay the self-employment taxes correctly. Are there any other special deductions or considerations we should know about for ministers beyond the housing allowance?

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NeonNomad

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You're making the right call handling the taxes properly rather than seeking the exemption. Other special considerations for ministers include: business expenses related to ministry can be deducted on Schedule C (even if she's an employee for income tax purposes), retirement planning options like 403(b) plans and designated Roth accounts, and potential state income tax exemptions for housing allowance depending on your state. Also, make sure the housing allowance was properly designated in advance by the church's governing body (board, elder council, etc.) - this must be done before the income is earned, not retroactively. If your wife has any unreimbursed business expenses related to her ministry, those can offset some of the self-employment tax burden.

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Anyone know if the housing allowance amount gets reported anywhere on the W-2? My husband's church just verbally told him about the housing portion, but I don't see it broken out anywhere on his W-2, just a total in Box 1. Makes me wonder if they're handling it correctly.

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It depends on how the church handles it. Some churches reduce Box 1 wages by the housing allowance amount (so Box 1 only shows taxable wages after the housing allowance is removed). Others include the full amount in Box 1 and then you have to subtract the housing allowance yourself when filing. Importantly, the church should provide a separate letter or statement documenting the officially designated housing allowance amount. This documentation is crucial for your records in case of an audit. If you didn't receive this, request it immediately from the church board or treasurer.

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Sofia Ramirez

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As a tax professional who specializes in clergy taxation, I want to emphasize a few critical points that could save you significant headaches: 1. **Documentation is everything** - Make sure your wife's church provided written documentation of the housing allowance designation BEFORE January 1st. The IRS requires this to be done prospectively, not retroactively. If they didn't do this properly, the housing allowance exclusion may not be valid. 2. **Housing allowance limits** - The excludable amount is limited to the LESSER of: (a) the amount officially designated, (b) actual housing expenses, or (c) fair rental value of the home. Many people miss the "actual expenses" requirement and end up owing taxes on the excess. 3. **State taxes vary** - While the housing allowance is excluded from federal income tax, some states (like California) don't recognize this exclusion and will tax it as regular income. 4. **Quarterly payments** - Since ministers pay self-employment tax and often have large housing allowances, you may need to make quarterly estimated tax payments to avoid underpayment penalties. The IRS expects you to pay as you go, not just at year-end. Get the church's withholding corrected ASAP and consider working with a tax professional who understands clergy taxation - it's complex enough that even experienced preparers often get it wrong.

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Oliver Cheng

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This is incredibly helpful - thank you for breaking down all these details! I had no idea about the "actual housing expenses" limitation. We need to make sure we're tracking all our housing costs properly. One quick question: when you mention quarterly estimated payments, does that apply even in the first year when she only started receiving ministerial income partway through the year? She became ordained in July, so we're wondering if the underpayment penalty rules are different for partial-year situations. Also, do you happen to know if there are any good resources or worksheets specifically for calculating the housing allowance limits you mentioned? We want to make sure we're not accidentally excluding more than we're allowed to.

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