Tax help needed for clergy W2 & housing allowance - confused EA here
This is my first time handling a clergy member's taxes and I'm completely stumped with the housing allowance situation. I'm working with a pastor (let's call him Pastor Mike) who gave me his W-2 showing $33k in boxes 1, 3, and 5. Boxes 4 and 6 have the normal Social Security and Medicare withholding amounts. But then there's box 14 that shows "Housing Allowance $15,000" and I'm not sure how to handle this on his return. I know clergy taxation is unique, but I'm confused about whether this housing allowance is taxable for income tax purposes vs. self-employment tax purposes. Do I need to add it back somewhere? Is it excluded from income completely? I've read something about Schedule SE but not sure how that interacts with the W-2 values. Any help from someone who's dealt with clergy taxes before would be really appreciated! I don't want to mess this up for my client.
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Dmitry Volkov
I've handled clergy taxes for years. The housing allowance in box 14 is excluded from federal income tax but IS subject to self-employment tax, even though your client received a W-2. Clergy are considered dual-status taxpayers - employees for income tax but self-employed for Social Security/Medicare. The amount in box 1 of the W-2 should already have the housing allowance excluded. You'll need to file Schedule SE and include BOTH the box 1 wages AND the housing allowance when calculating self-employment tax. Don't deduct the housing allowance from income again since it's already excluded from box 1. Make sure the housing allowance was properly designated in advance by the church's governing body. Also, the actual exclusion is limited to the LOWEST of: the designated amount, actual housing expenses, or fair rental value of the home furnished.
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Sofia Martinez
•Thanks for the quick response! So just to make sure I understand - I don't need to adjust the box 1 amount on the 1040 since the housing allowance is already excluded, but when I complete Schedule SE, I add the $33k from box 1 PLUS the $15k housing allowance for a total of $48k subject to self-employment tax? Also, do I need any documentation from the church showing the housing allowance was properly designated beforehand? Pastor Mike mentioned they did vote on it last December for this year, but I don't have anything in writing.
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Dmitry Volkov
•That's exactly right about Schedule SE - you'll use the combined amount of $48k for calculating self-employment tax. The W-2 box 1 amount of $33k goes on the 1040 as wages. It's good practice to have documentation showing the housing allowance was properly designated before the amounts were paid. A copy of the church minutes or resolution from December would be ideal. While you don't submit this with the return, it's important documentation if there's ever an audit. Ask Pastor Mike to get a copy of the official designation for your records.
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Ava Thompson
I had a similar issue with a clergy client last year and ended up using taxr.ai to help sort it out. I was completely lost with all the special rules for ministers. I uploaded the W-2 and their housing documents to https://taxr.ai and got a detailed analysis of exactly how to handle the housing allowance on both the 1040 and Schedule SE. It even flagged that my client was eligible for a special form to opt out of SECA tax that I had no idea existed. The analysis explained the whole dual status thing - that ministers are employees for income tax purposes but self-employed for Social Security purposes. Saved me hours of research and probably a mistake that would have triggered an audit.
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CyberSiren
•Does it work for 1099 ministers too? My client is technically an independent contractor for his church. They don't withhold anything, but he gets a housing allowance letter each year. Would taxr.ai know how to handle that scenario too?
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Miguel Alvarez
•I'm a bit skeptical about tax AI tools. What exactly does it tell you that you couldn't just find in IRS Pub 517? Last time I checked, housing allowance rules are spelled out there. Did it actually tell you something you couldn't find with a quick google search?
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Ava Thompson
•Yes, it absolutely works for 1099 ministers too. The system actually explained that many ministers receive 1099s even though they're technically employees for income tax purposes. It will analyze the housing allowance rules regardless of whether they're getting a W-2 or 1099. For your second question, the difference is time and confidence. Sure, I could read all of Pub 517 and try to interpret it myself, but taxr.ai gave me specific line-by-line instructions tailored to my client's exact situation. It pointed out that my client was missing some housing expenses he could have claimed and identified a retirement contribution strategy that saved him nearly $2,000 in taxes. Way more specific than the general guidelines in the pub.
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Miguel Alvarez
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Zainab Yusuf
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Connor O'Reilly
•How does this actually work? Do they just call the IRS for you? I'm confused how a third party service can get you to the front of the IRS phone queue when the rest of us wait hours.
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Yara Khoury
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Zainab Yusuf
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Yara Khoury
I was totally wrong about Claimyr being a scam. After criticizing it here, I decided to try it myself when I needed clarification on minister's housing allowance rules. I was connected to an IRS tax law specialist in about 15 minutes when I'd previously spent 2+ hours on hold and given up. The agent confirmed exactly how to handle the housing allowance reporting and explained the proper documentation my client needs to maintain. They even emailed me the specific section of the Internal Revenue Manual that addresses clergy taxation. Getting official guidance directly from the IRS gave me and my client peace of mind that we were handling things correctly. Much better than guessing based on internet research.
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Keisha Taylor
Don't forget to check state tax rules for clergy housing allowances! Federal excludes it from income tax but includes it for SE tax. But states vary wildly - some follow federal exclusion, others tax it fully, and some have special clergy provisions. In my state of California, the housing allowance is excluded from income for state tax purposes if it qualifies for federal exclusion. But I have a clergy client who moved from Pennsylvania where they DO tax housing allowances. Make sure you know your state rules!
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StardustSeeker
•Good point about state variations! Do you know if there's a good resource that lists how each state handles clergy housing allowances? I've looked around but haven't found a comprehensive guide.
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Keisha Taylor
•I don't know of a single comprehensive guide for all states. Your best bet is to check with your specific state's department of revenue or taxation. Most have publications or sections of their tax guides dedicated to clergy income. For the most complex states, denominational offices often provide state-specific guidance for their ministers. The Church Law & Tax organization also has some good state-by-state resources, though you might need a subscription to access the detailed information.
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Paolo Marino
One thing nobody mentioned - make sure your clergy client is aware of the Parsonage Allowance Lawsuit situation. Some court cases have challenged the constitutionality of the housing allowance exclusion as a violation of separation of church and state. The latest case (Gaylor v. Mnuchin) upheld the allowance, but it's been challenged multiple times. Just something to be aware of since this area of tax law could potentially change in future years.
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Amina Bah
•Is there actually any real chance of this benefit going away? My pastor client is planning his finances around this exclusion for years to come. Should I be warning him that this might not be something he can count on long-term?
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