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Eva St. Cyr

How much W4 extra withholding is normal with significant income increase?

My spouse recently landed a new position with a pretty substantial salary bump. When we were filling out the W4 form, we got to the extra withholding section and did the calculations. I was honestly shocked at how much extra we need to withhold! Based on our calculations, we need to withhold an additional $812 per paycheck! For comparison, she would only pay about $1,430 without the extra withholding. She's making roughly $158k and I'm at about $117k annually. I've got a few questions about this: 1. What's the deal with this W4 extra withholding amount? It seems excessive. 2. Does $812 extra per check sound right to anyone else? I get that it's what the calculation says but it's adding like 1.5x to what we already pay in taxes. 3. Should we be dividing this between our W4s? We have a weird system where every other paycheck goes into our joint account. Any insights would be super helpful. This is stressing me out a bit!

The "extra withholding" on a W4 is designed to handle situations exactly like yours - when you have multiple incomes in a household. The standard withholding tables assume each job is your only income, but when you combine multiple incomes, you often end up in a higher tax bracket than either job would withhold for individually. That's why the amount seems so high - neither employer knows about the other income, so they're both withholding as if their income is the only one. The extra withholding helps make up the difference. The number might seem high, but it's likely accurate based on your combined income putting you in a higher tax bracket. You're in the situation where the standard withholding from both jobs isn't enough to cover your actual tax liability. For splitting it between your W4s, you could do that if it's easier for your cash flow. The IRS doesn't care which job withholds it, as long as enough is withheld overall. Just make sure your total extra withholding equals what the calculator suggested.

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Kaitlyn Otto

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That makes sense, but how do we know we're calculating it correctly? We used the IRS calculator but I've heard some people say it's often wrong. Is there another way to double check?

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The IRS Tax Withholding Estimator is generally quite accurate as long as you input all your information correctly. The most common mistakes happen when people forget to include all income sources or deductions. To double check, you could run your numbers through one of the major tax software programs or consult with a tax professional. Another approach is to calculate your expected annual tax based on your projected combined income and compare that to what would be withheld without the extra amount - the difference should approximate what you need to withhold extra.

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Axel Far

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Does it work for self-employment income too? My wife is W2 but I have 1099 income and figuring out quarterly payments plus her withholding is a nightmare.

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Luis Johnson

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I'm skeptical about these online tools. How exactly does it give you better information than the IRS calculator? Seems like they'd use the same formulas.

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Axel Far

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Yes, it absolutely works with self-employment income! I actually have some 1099 work on the side, and it helped calculate both my quarterly estimated payments and how to adjust my W2 withholding to compensate. It saved me from having to make separate calculations. The difference from the IRS calculator is it analyzes your specific tax situation based on your past returns, not just generic brackets. It caught several deductions and credits the basic IRS calculator wasn't accounting for in our situation, which made a significant difference in our actual tax liability.

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I tried taxr.ai after reading about it here and wow - it actually solved our withholding problems! I've been filling out W4s wrong for YEARS. The tool showed me we were significantly underwithholding despite using the IRS calculator previously. The analysis broke down exactly why we needed the extra withholding amount and how it would impact our refund next year. It also let me adjust things to get the outcome we wanted (small refund rather than owing). Honestly wish I'd known about this sooner - would have saved us from owing $3,200 on our last return!

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Ellie Kim

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Fiona Sand

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How does this even work? The IRS phone lines are always busy when I call. Are you saying this somehow gets you to the front of the queue?

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Sorry but this sounds like complete BS. Nothing can get you through to the IRS faster. They're notoriously understaffed and everyone has to wait. I'm calling snake oil on this one.

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Ellie Kim

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I'm back to eat my words. After posting that skeptical comment, I decided to try Claimyr myself because I also had W4 withholding questions I couldn't figure out. It actually worked - I got a call back in about 45 minutes saying they had an IRS agent on the line. The agent confirmed my withholding calculations were off and helped me figure out the right amount. For our situation (similar income to yours), we were over-withholding by about $250 per paycheck using the standard worksheet. Never been happier to be wrong. Saved me hours of frustration and potentially hundreds in overpayment.

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Don't forget that you can adjust your W4 withholding throughout the year if needed. My wife and I do a mid-year checkup around June to see if we're on track, then adjust up or down accordingly. Also remember that the goal isn't necessarily to get a refund - ideally you want to come close to breaking even. A lot of people mistakenly think a big refund is good, but it just means you gave the government an interest-free loan all year.

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Finnegan Gunn

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How do you do the mid-year checkup? Do you use a specific tool or method to figure out if you're on track?

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I use a combination of the IRS Withholding Estimator and a simple spreadsheet. First, I check our year-to-date withholding on our pay stubs. Then I project that out for the rest of the year based on our pay schedule. For the income side, I estimate our total annual income and run it through either the IRS calculator or a basic tax calculation based on the current year's tax brackets. The difference between projected withholding and projected tax liability tells me if we need to adjust. If we're more than $1,000 off in either direction, we submit new W4s.

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Miguel Harvey

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You might consider adjusting both your W4s rather than putting all the extra withholding on one person. My husband and I found it easier on our monthly budget to split the extra withholding between us rather than having one person's paycheck take the full hit. Also, check if either of your employers offer any tax planning resources. My company provides free access to financial advisors who helped us optimize our tax situation beyond just W4 withholding.

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Ashley Simian

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I wish our company had that benefit! How much did splitting the withholding help with your cash flow? We're worried about having one paycheck that's severely reduced.

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Your $812 extra withholding calculation sounds about right for your income situation. With combined income of $275k, you're likely hitting the 24% or even 32% tax bracket on the higher portions of your income, but each employer's withholding system assumes their job is your only income source. Here's what's happening: when employers withhold taxes, they use tables that assume that specific job is your only income. So your wife's employer withholds as if she's making $158k total, and your employer withholds as if you're making $117k total. But your actual tax liability is based on $275k combined income, which pushes you into higher brackets. The $812 per paycheck works out to about $21k annually in extra withholding, which could very well be the difference between what your employers naturally withhold versus your actual tax liability at that income level. You absolutely can split this between both your W4s - it doesn't matter to the IRS which employer withholds the extra amount. If cash flow is a concern, splitting it might make more sense for your budget. Just make sure the total extra withholding across both jobs equals what the calculator recommended. I'd also suggest running a quick sanity check by estimating your total tax liability for the year and comparing it to what would be withheld without the extra amount. That difference should be close to your calculated extra withholding.

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Sean Kelly

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This is really helpful! I'm in a similar situation but with lower combined income (~$180k). Would the same principle apply where we need significant extra withholding, or is there an income threshold where this becomes a bigger issue? Also, when you mention doing a sanity check by estimating total tax liability - any recommendations for how to do that calculation accurately?

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Mateo Silva

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@Sean Kelly Yes, the same principle applies at $180k combined income, though the extra withholding amount will be proportionally smaller. The issue becomes more pronounced as your combined income increases because you re'pushed into higher tax brackets. For the sanity check calculation, here s'a simple approach: 1. Use the current year s'tax brackets to calculate your estimated total tax liability on $180k after (standard deduction 2.) Look at your year-to-date withholding on both paystubs and multiply by the number of pay periods to project annual withholding 3. The difference is roughly what you need in extra withholding You can also use tax software like TurboTax or FreeTaxUSA to run a what-if "scenario" with your projected income - just input your expected W2 amounts and it ll'show your estimated tax liability. Compare that to your projected withholding and you ll'see the gap. At $180k combined, you re'likely looking at extra withholding in the $300-500 per paycheck range, but definitely run the numbers to be sure.

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I went through this exact same situation last year when my wife got promoted! The $812 per paycheck does sound high, but it's probably accurate given your combined income level. One thing that helped us was using the IRS Safe Harbor rule - if you withhold at least 100% of last year's total tax liability (or 110% if your prior year AGI was over $150k), you won't owe penalties even if you end up owing some tax at filing time. This gave us peace of mind that we weren't massively over-withholding. Also, consider that you might be eligible for additional deductions or credits that could reduce your actual tax liability - things like maxing out 401k contributions, HSA contributions if available, or other pre-tax benefits that weren't factored into the basic W4 calculator. My recommendation would be to start with the calculated amount but definitely split it between both your W4s for better cash flow management. You can always adjust mid-year if it seems like too much when you see how your paychecks look.

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Rachel Tao

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This is really solid advice! I had no idea about the Safe Harbor rule - that would definitely give me some peace of mind. We do max out our 401ks and have HSAs, but I'm not sure if we accounted for those properly in the W4 calculator. Quick question - when you say "110% if your prior year AGI was over $150k," does that mean 110% of what we actually owed in taxes last year, or 110% of our total tax liability including what was already withheld? I want to make sure I understand this correctly before we finalize our withholding amounts. Also, did you find that splitting the extra withholding made a noticeable difference in your monthly budget? We're trying to figure out if we should do 50/50 or weight it more toward the higher earner.

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