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How do I calculate Days of Personal Use vs Days Rented to Others (Fair Rental Days) on my multifamily property?

So I bought this 4-unit building last year as an investment, and I'm living in one of the units while renting out the other three. Now I'm trying to figure out how to handle this on my taxes, specifically with personal use days vs fair rental days. Since I'm occupying 1 out of 4 units year-round, would that mean I have 365 personal use days for that one unit? But then the other 3 units would be counted as rental days, right? I'm really confused about how this works with a multi-unit property versus if it was just a single vacation home or something. Also complicating things - I had a roommate in my unit for about 6 months last year who was paying me rent. Does that change how I count personal use days for my unit? Like would those days count as partially personal and partially rental? Or does having a roommate not affect this calculation at all? Really appreciate any help sorting this out before tax season. I want to make sure I'm counting everything correctly for my Schedule E.

You're mixing up two different tax concepts. For a multi-unit property like yours, you don't calculate personal use days vs. rental days the way you would for a vacation home. Instead, you allocate expenses based on the percentage of the property used for personal vs. rental purposes. Since you have a 4-unit building and live in 1 unit, you would generally allocate 25% of certain expenses (like mortgage interest, property taxes, insurance, and maintenance of common areas) as personal and 75% as rental expenses on Schedule E. The rental portion is deductible against your rental income. Regarding your roommate situation - that gets a bit more complex. When you rent out part of your personal residence unit, you'll need to allocate expenses within that unit. If your roommate used 50% of your unit for 6 months, you'd calculate: 50% of 1 unit for 6 months = 50% × 25% × 50% = 6.25% additional rental use for that period.

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Oh that makes way more sense! So I'm not thinking about this in terms of days at all, but rather percentage of the property. So with the roommate, I'd be looking at what percentage of my personal unit they were using, for what portion of the year, and then adding that small percentage to my rental allocation? Also, does this mean expenses like lawn care, snow removal, etc. for the whole property would be split 75/25 as well?

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That's exactly right. You're dealing with percentage allocation rather than counting days. Your 75% rental and 25% personal split applies to the whole-property expenses like you mentioned - lawn care, snow removal, shared utilities, roof repairs, etc. For your roommate situation, you've got the concept correct. You'd calculate what percentage of your personal unit they used, for what fraction of the year, and that would slightly increase your rental allocation. Just remember that any expenses specific to only the rental units (like repairs inside those units) would be 100% rental expenses with no personal allocation needed.

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That sounds helpful. I've been using TurboTax but it doesn't really walk me through the allocation stuff well. Does this tool generate forms you can file or just gives you the numbers to put in yourself? And does it help calculate depreciation too? That's the part I'm struggling with most on my duplex.

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Something else to consider with your situation: if your roommate was renting just a room in your unit (not the whole unit), you'll also need to allocate the expenses within that unit based on either square footage or number of rooms. For example, if your unit has 1000 sq ft and your roommate used 300 sq ft exclusively plus shared spaces, you might allocate about 40% of your personal unit's expenses to rental use for the period they lived there.

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Thanks for mentioning this! My roommate had their own bedroom and bathroom (about 1/3 of my unit) but we shared the kitchen and living room. So I'd need to figure out what percentage that represents and then apply it just to my unit's portion of the property expenses?

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Exactly. There are two ways commonly accepted by the IRS: Square footage method: Calculate what percentage of your unit's total square footage was used exclusively by your roommate (bedroom+bathroom), then add a percentage of common areas. For shared spaces like kitchen and living room, you'd typically allocate 50% to them for those areas. Room count method: Simpler but less precise. Count how many rooms in total, then calculate what fraction was used by your roommate. I'd recommend the square footage method as it's more favorable in most cases. Just document your calculations in case of audit.

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Has anyone used TurboTax to handle this kind of situation? Their rental property section is confusing me with all these percentage allocations and I'm not sure if I'm entering it correctly.

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I used TurboTax last year for my duplex. It does work but you need to be careful about how you set up the property initially. When it asks if this is a multi-unit property, say YES, then specify how many units and which one you live in. Later it will ask for percentages. For a 4-unit with you in 1 unit, you'd put 75% rental, 25% personal. The tricky part is handling that roommate situation - TurboTax doesn't have a great way to handle that specific scenario.

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One thing I'd add that hasn't been mentioned yet - make sure you're keeping detailed records of all your expenses and how you're allocating them. The IRS loves to audit mixed-use properties because the allocation rules can be complex and people often make mistakes. I'd recommend creating a simple spreadsheet showing: - Total property expenses by category - Your allocation percentages (75% rental, 25% personal for the base property, plus any adjustments for the roommate period) - The calculated amounts for each category Also, don't forget about depreciation on the rental portion of your property. That's often the biggest tax benefit for rental property owners, but it only applies to the business/rental use percentage of your property value (minus land value). For your roommate situation, I'd calculate it exactly like others mentioned - figure out what percentage of your unit they used, multiply that by your unit's percentage of the total property (25%), and apply that for the months they were there. Keep their rental payments and any receipts showing the space they occupied.

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This is really solid advice about record keeping! I'm just starting out with rental properties and wondering - do you recommend any specific software or apps for tracking these allocations? I'm worried about making calculation errors that could trigger an audit. Also, when you mention depreciation only applying to the rental portion, does that mean I need to get a separate appraisal to determine the building value vs land value, or can I use the purchase price allocation from when I bought the property?

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