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How can I deal with $75k in back taxes while buried in debt? Need IRS navigation help

I seriously messed up my taxes and now I'm in deep trouble with the IRS. I owe about $75k from my 2021 taxes and haven't filed returns for the past two years. Back in 2021, I took a position that paid way more than I expected - around $850k total with a base salary and unexpectedly valuable stock compensation (the shares went up like 4x what we thought they would). I was used to making around $250k annually and filing taxes in that range. About $170k was withheld for federal taxes through normal payroll, and my tax situation is pretty straightforward: head of household with one 9-year-old dependent, W-2 income, and a 1099b showing the stock that was sold at grant price. About 20% of my stock was automatically sold at vesting to cover taxes. Things went downhill when I lost that job in May 2022, right before tax filing. I panicked and made a $20k payment to the IRS (I can see it on my statement as "OPC US TREASURY WASHINGTON DC") to try qualifying for a monthly payment plan. According to the site I used, I needed to owe less than $50k to qualify for monthly installments. I set up the recurring payments but they were never withdrawn from my account. I also failed to file my 2021 taxes by the October extension deadline. Then in 2023, I lost another job in April. I just started a new position this month paying $280k base with approximately $175k in additional stock and bonuses next year. But I'm completely broke with $85k in credit card debt and had to drain my 401k just to make rent these past few months. I've seen ads for the "Fresh Start Program" and contacted a tax resolution firm. They want to charge me $9.5k to handle filing my back taxes, negotiate penalties and interest, and set up a payment plan. I definitely owe the original $75k from 2021 (plus whatever penalties and interest have accumulated) and might actually be due a $5k refund from last year. I've read that these "fresh start" companies aren't well-regarded, and I'd rather not pay almost $10k I don't have. I found a reliable CPA who can prepare my back tax returns for a reasonable fee, but I'm wondering - are negotiations with the IRS as a high-income debtor difficult enough that I should pay the extra money for specialized representation? Or can I handle setting up a payment plan and achieving compliance myself? Any recommendations for guides or reliable services that won't drain my already empty bank account?

Sofia Ramirez

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Your situation is definitely challenging, but it's more common than you might think and there are established paths forward. Here's how I'd approach this: First, filing those back tax returns should be your priority. The failure-to-file penalties are much more severe than failure-to-pay penalties, so getting your returns submitted is urgent. Your CPA can handle this efficiently since your situation is relatively straightforward. For dealing with the IRS debt, you don't need to pay $9.5k to a "Fresh Start" company. The Fresh Start Program is an actual IRS initiative, not a private service. These companies are just charging you to access something you can do yourself. With your income level, you can likely qualify for an Installment Agreement. The process is straightforward: you can apply online using Form 9465 or through the IRS website. Since your debt exceeds $50k, you'll need to provide some financial information using Form 433-F. The IRS may reduce penalties (especially first-time penalty abatement if you have a clean compliance history before 2021), but interest reductions are extremely rare. Anyone promising to eliminate interest is overpromising. The reason your $20k payment didn't trigger the monthly withdrawals was likely because you hadn't filed the actual return yet, so the IRS couldn't process the installment agreement.

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Dmitry Popov

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Thanks for the breakdown! What about the Offer in Compromise option? I've heard some people can settle for less than they owe. Would that work for someone with a $280k+ income, or is that unrealistic?

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Sofia Ramirez

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For Offers in Compromise, your current income level would make approval very unlikely. The IRS evaluates your ability to pay based on assets, income, and expenses. With a $280k base plus additional compensation, they'll determine you can pay the full amount over time through an installment agreement. OICs are typically only approved when there's legitimate doubt that the full amount can ever be collected. Given your new income, you wouldn't meet that threshold. Your best approach is to get compliant by filing all returns, then set up a formal installment agreement with the longest term possible to make payments manageable while you address your credit card debt.

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Ava Rodriguez

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Miguel Ortiz

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How exactly does it work with back taxes? Does it just give you advice or does it actually help prepare the returns? I've got 3 years unfiled and I'm stressing about how to even begin getting everything organized.

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Zainab Khalil

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I'm skeptical about AI for serious tax problems. No offense, but can an AI tool really negotiate with the IRS? Did you actually resolve your situation or just get some generic advice?

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Ava Rodriguez

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Miguel Ortiz

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QuantumQuest

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Have you tried calling the IRS directly? I had a somewhat similar situation (owed about $30k in back taxes) and spent WEEKS trying to get through to someone who could help. It was absolutely maddening - either busy signals, disconnects after waiting for hours, or getting transferred to departments that couldn't actually help. Finally found Claimyr (https://claimyr.com) which is this service that somehow gets you to the front of the IRS phone queue. I was honestly suspicious it was a scam, but I watched their demo video (https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c) and decided to try it since I was desperate. Within about 15 minutes I was talking to an actual IRS agent who helped me set up an installment agreement. They walked me through the whole process, told me exactly which forms to submit, and even applied first-time penalty abatement which saved me about $3,400. All of this without paying thousands to a tax resolution firm. The agent told me those "Fresh Start" companies just do the same things you can do yourself - they just charge you a premium for it.

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Connor Murphy

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How does that even work? The IRS phone lines are completely jammed all the time. Are you saying they have some special number or something? Seems fishy.

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Yara Haddad

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Sounds like BS to me. Nobody can "cut the line" with a federal agency. These companies always overpromise and underdeliver. You probably just got lucky with timing when you called.

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QuantumQuest

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Yara Haddad

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Whatever you do, don't drain more of your retirement savings to pay the IRS! I made that mistake and it created an even bigger tax problem the next year because of the early withdrawal penalties and additional income. Focus on filing those returns ASAP. The failure-to-file penalty is 5% per month up to 25% of unpaid taxes, while the failure-to-pay penalty is only 0.5% per month up to 25%. Getting those returns filed, even if you can't pay yet, will stop the bigger penalty from growing. For your credit card debt, consider looking into a personal loan with a lower interest rate to consolidate. With your new income, you might qualify for something better than credit card rates, which would help you manage payments to both the IRS and your debt.

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NebulaKnight

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Thanks for this advice - I hadn't thought about how tapping my 401k actually created another tax problem for next year. I need to talk to my CPA about that. Do you think I should still try to set up the installment plan myself or is it worth paying someone to handle that part? The filing seems straightforward but I'm worried about saying the wrong thing during negotiations.

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Setting up an installment agreement is pretty straightforward - you're really just filling out a form. If you owe more than $50k, you'll need to provide some financial information using Form 433-F, but it's not complicated. The key is to be honest but strategic about your monthly expenses. Don't understate your necessary living expenses - the IRS has standard allowances for housing, transportation, etc., but if your actual expenses are higher, you can document that and potentially get a lower monthly payment. As for "saying the wrong thing" - the negotiation isn't like in the movies. It's a standardized process. The IRS generally wants to collect what's owed through a payment plan you can actually maintain, rather than having you default. Just be straightforward, file your returns accurately, and request the installment agreement. Save your money rather than paying someone thousands to fill out forms you can handle.

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Paolo Conti

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One thing nobody's mentioned - make sure your CPA addresses the 401k withdrawal properly on your 2023 return. Early 401k distributions are subject to both income tax AND a 10% early withdrawal penalty unless you qualify for an exception. At your income level, that distribution probably pushed you into an even higher tax bracket for 2023, so you might be looking at 35%+ federal tax on that money PLUS the 10% penalty.

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Amina Sow

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There are some hardship exceptions to the 10% penalty though, right? Like using the money for housing to avoid foreclosure or eviction? Would those apply here?

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GalaxyGazer

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OP, I was in a slightly smaller but similar situation. Owed about $35k and hadn't filed for 2 years. Here's what worked for me: 1. Find a good CPA but not a "tax resolution" specialist - I paid $350 per unfiled return 2. File all back tax returns ASAP 3. Apply for first-time penalty abatement on your own (if you had a clean record for 3 years before 2021) 4. Set up the installment agreement yourself online after returns are processed The Fresh Start Program is just marketing language for normal IRS procedures. Anyone charging $9.5k is taking advantage of your fear. The IRS website has all the forms and instructions. With your new income, you won't qualify for an Offer in Compromise, so don't waste time pursuing that. Your best bet is getting on a payment plan with the longest term possible while you tackle the credit card debt. I got about $4k in penalties removed with a simple phone call requesting first-time abatement. The interest couldn't be removed, but at least the penalties stopped growing once I filed the returns.

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As someone who works in tax compliance, I want to emphasize a few critical points that haven't been fully addressed: First, you mentioned that 20% of your stock was "automatically sold at vesting to cover taxes" - this is crucial information for your CPA. Make sure they understand the exact timing of when shares vested versus when they were sold, as this affects whether you have additional compensation income or capital gains/losses to report. Second, regarding that $20k payment you made that never got withdrawn - you should be able to see this as a credit on your account once you file your 2021 return. The IRS likely applied it to your account but couldn't process the installment agreement without a filed return to reference. Third, don't let anyone pressure you into quick decisions about Offers in Compromise. With your current income trajectory ($280k base plus stock/bonuses), the IRS will calculate that you can pay the full amount over time. The OIC process is lengthy, expensive to apply for ($205 application fee plus 20% of offer amount upfront), and has a very low acceptance rate for high earners. Your best path forward is exactly what others have suggested: file the returns through your CPA, request first-time penalty abatement if you qualify, and set up a manageable installment agreement. The IRS generally allows up to 72 months for balances over $50k, which would put your monthly payments around $1,200-1,400 depending on interest and remaining penalties. The key is getting compliant first, then addressing the payment structure. Don't let tax resolution companies capitalize on your stress - this is a solvable problem that doesn't require their expensive services.

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