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How are stock options taxed - "regular income" vs "short term capital gains"? Tax implications explained

So my husband has been getting RSUs from his job for a while and we've got the hang of how those are taxed, but I just found myself in a new situation with my company going public last month. I've got a bunch of ISOs (incentive stock options) that are now "in the money" and I'm trying to figure out the tax implications before making any moves. The important context is that my husband has significant short term capital gains losses from some bad investments a few years back that we're still carrying forward. Ideally, we'd like to use those to offset gains if possible. Here's what I think happens (but please confirm): Let's say my options have a strike price of $7, and today the stock is at $60. If I exercise the options and immediately sell at $60, I'd have a $53 gain. Would this be considered short term capital gains that can offset my husband's carried-over losses? Or is it just treated as regular income? Alternatively, if I exercise now but hold until July 2025 before selling, would that entire $53 gain be considered long term capital gains (assuming the stock price stays the same)? Really appreciate any insights on this - we want to make the smartest move tax-wise!

The tax treatment of ISOs can be a bit complicated, but let me break it down for you in simpler terms. When you exercise ISOs, you're not immediately taxed on the difference between the strike price and fair market value (this is different from non-qualified options). However, this difference ($53 in your example) can trigger Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) in the year you exercise. If you exercise and sell immediately (same day), this is called a disqualifying disposition. The entire spread ($53 in your case) would be treated as ordinary income, not capital gains. So unfortunately, this couldn't be used to offset your husband's carried-over capital losses. If you exercise now and hold the shares for at least 1 year from exercise AND 2 years from the grant date before selling, then any gain would qualify for long-term capital gains treatment. In this scenario, you'd potentially pay AMT in the year of exercise, but the eventual sale would be eligible for the lower long-term capital gains rate.

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Wait, so if they exercise and sell immediately, they can't use the spouse's capital losses at all? What if they exercise, wait like a week, and then sell? Would it be considered short-term capital gains then?

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If you exercise and then wait before selling (even just a week), it becomes a bit different. In that scenario, you'd have two tax components: 1) The difference between strike price and fair market value at exercise ($53) would still be ordinary income, and 2) Any additional gain or loss from the exercise date to the sale date would be capital gain/loss. So if the stock rises from $60 to $65 in that week, that $5 difference would be short-term capital gain that could offset existing capital losses. Remember though, holding even for a short period introduces market risk - the stock could drop significantly during that time. Many people choose to exercise and sell immediately (cashless exercise) to avoid this risk, even if it means not being able to utilize capital losses.

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How long did it take for them to analyze everything? My company is going public next month and I'm on a time crunch to figure out what to do with my options.

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Sounds interesting but I'm skeptical. Did they actually save you more money than what it cost? And do they give you the actual tax forms or just advice?

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The analysis only took about 24 hours after I uploaded my documents. They have a specialized system that understands the specific language in option agreements and equity plans. For your second question, they definitely saved me more than it cost. I was about to exercise and hold a large batch of options without realizing it would trigger over $45,000 in AMT. They showed me a better strategy to exercise portions over multiple tax years. They don't prepare the actual tax forms but they give you detailed calculations that you can give to your accountant or plug into tax software.

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If you're struggling to get tax advice on these ISO questions, you might want to try https://claimyr.com to get through to an actual IRS agent. I had been trying for WEEKS to get clarity on a similar ISO situation (particularly around AMT calculations) and kept getting the "call volume too high" message. Used this service and got connected to an IRS representative within about 20 minutes instead of the 3+ hours I had been waiting before. The agent was able to confirm exactly how the AMT preference item should be calculated and when the disqualifying disposition rules apply. You can see how it works here: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c Obviously they can't give you tax planning advice, but if you have specific questions about how certain option transactions get reported, they can provide official guidance which is sometimes better than conflicting online advice.

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How does this actually work? Do they just call the IRS for you or something? I don't get it.

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Yeah right. Nobody gets through to the IRS quickly. This sounds like a scam that just takes your money and puts you in the same hold queue you'd get by calling yourself.

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They use a specialized system that navigates the IRS phone tree and waits on hold for you. When an actual agent answers, they call you and connect you directly to that person. So you don't wait on hold - you just get a call when an agent is ready to talk. It's not a scam at all - they don't ask for any tax information from you. They're just solving the hold time problem. I was skeptical too, but I literally got connected to an IRS representative when I'd been unable to get through for weeks trying on my own. They don't do anything else except save you the hold time, then you handle your own conversation with the IRS.

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I need to eat my words. After posting my skeptical comment above, I decided to try Claimyr since I was also stuck on how to handle reporting some exercised options from last year that I'm still holding. I had tried calling the IRS 4 times over the past month and always hung up after being on hold for over an hour. With this service, I got a call back in 34 minutes with an actual IRS tax specialist on the line. The agent explained exactly how to report my ISO exercise on Form 6251 for AMT purposes, and confirmed that since I hadn't sold any shares yet, I don't need to report anything on Schedule D this year. They also explained what records I need to keep for when I do eventually sell. Totally worth it just for the time saved. I was losing entire afternoons to being stuck on hold.

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned here is the 83(b) election for ISOs that haven't vested yet. If your company just IPO'd and some of your options aren't vested, you might want to look into this. It starts the capital gains holding period early. But be super careful - there's a strict 30-day window to file after exercise, and you can't undo it if the stock tanks. I did this with a previous company and it worked great, but another friend did it and the company went bankrupt, so he paid taxes on value he never got.

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Thanks for bringing this up! I should have clarified in my original post that all my options are fully vested (I've been with the company for 7 years). But that's really good information for others in similar situations who might have partially vested options. Is there any benefit to doing an 83(b) election on already vested options? Or does that only apply to unvested ones?

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The 83(b) election only applies to unvested shares/options, so it wouldn't be relevant for your fully vested options. It's mainly useful when you exercise unvested options or receive restricted stock that isn't vested yet. For your situation with fully vested ISOs, you're really looking at the timing decision between: 1) Exercise and sell immediately (ordinary income, no capital losses offset), 2) Exercise and hold for long-term treatment (but watch out for AMT), or 3) Exercise and sell after a short holding period (which gives you part ordinary income, part capital gains/losses). Honestly, with a significant amount of options and carried-over losses in play, I'd definitely consult a tax professional who specializes in equity compensation before making any big moves.

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Don't forget to run the numbers on selling enough to cover the taxes! My wife got hit with a MASSIVE tax bill when she exercised her options after IPO but didn't sell enough to cover taxes. The AMT calculation was insane.

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This! I got absolutely destroyed on AMT one year because I exercised a bunch of ISOs and held them. The theoretical "paper gain" was taxable under AMT even though I hadn't sold anything and had no cash to pay the taxes. Had to sell other investments at a terrible time just to cover the tax bill.

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Remember that you also need to think about state taxes! Federal rules are one thing, but states often have different treatment. I'm in California and they don't have an AMT system that matches federal exactly, so my calculations were all different. Make sure you're considering both.

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Great question! As someone who's been through a similar situation, I can confirm what others have said about the complexity of ISO taxation. One thing I'd add is to consider the timing of your exercise in relation to your company's lock-up period ending (if applicable). Many people exercise right after IPO without realizing they can't sell during the lock-up, which can create cash flow issues if AMT kicks in. Also, since you mentioned your husband has significant short-term capital losses to carry forward, you might want to explore a mixed strategy: exercise some options now and hold (to start the long-term capital gains clock), and plan to exercise additional tranches in future years when you can immediately sell to utilize those losses. One more tip - if you're planning to exercise and hold, make sure you have enough cash set aside for the potential AMT hit. I've seen too many people get caught off guard by the tax bill on "paper gains" they haven't actually realized yet. The AMT can be substantial even when you haven't sold anything. Good luck with your decision!

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This is really helpful context about the lock-up period! I hadn't fully considered that timing aspect. My company's lock-up doesn't expire until September, so if I exercise now and hold, I'd definitely need to have cash ready for any AMT hit since I couldn't sell to cover it. The mixed strategy you mentioned sounds smart - exercising some now to start the clock, then doing more tranches later when I can actually sell and use my husband's losses. Do you have any rule of thumb for how to split it up? Like what percentage to exercise initially vs. waiting? Also, is there a way to estimate the AMT impact beforehand, or do you just have to run the numbers with a tax professional?

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For estimating AMT impact beforehand, you can use IRS Form 6251 (Alternative Minimum Tax - Individuals) as a rough guide. The key number you need is the "AMT adjustment" which is basically the spread between your exercise price and fair market value at exercise. In your case, that would be $53 per option times however many you exercise. The actual AMT you owe depends on your other income and deductions, but a rough rule of thumb is that you might pay around 26-28% AMT rate on that spread if you're already in higher tax brackets. So if you exercise 1,000 options with a $53 spread, that's $53,000 in AMT preference items, potentially resulting in $14,000-$15,000 in additional AMT (very rough estimate). As for splitting strategy, I don't have a perfect rule of thumb since it depends on your total option count, current income, and future expectations. But many people I know start with maybe 20-30% of their total options to test the AMT waters and see how much cash flow impact they can handle. Then they reassess each year. Definitely run real numbers with a tax professional though - AMT calculations get complex when you factor in other deductions and income sources.

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